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  •  Put it this way... (none)
    Could a foreigner understand anything at all about the American South, or the peculiar American sensitivity about race, if they were unaware of the Civil War, Reconstruction, Jim Crow, and the civil rights struggle?

    Knowing how things came to be messed up... is a necessary first step in what you can do now. Just because you wish you could throw the whole thing out and start over from scratch, that doesn't mean other people will agree.

    The first step -- is to know where they're coming from. You can't get to any sort of fix in the Middle East without understanding what drove so many into the arms of Islamic extremists. It's not about blaming Reagan; that's just a jumping off point for the diary. It's about knowing the implications of so many actions taken in the Reagan administration that are coming back to bite you now.

    And, no... it's not that they hate you for your freedoms. ;-)

    Massacre is not a family value.

    by Canadian Reader on Fri May 06, 2005 at 06:59:43 PM PDT

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    •  Good analogy (none)
      The problem seems to be that the necessity of Reagan is bipartisan Receieved Opinion in the US, and we are vehemently ordered not to see any other possibilites but whatever he did, no matter how obvious it is that they need to be reversed now. Some of the anti-Bush nostalgia for Reagan expressed here is staggering in its historical ignorance.

      "There are only murderers in this room" - John Rooney in The Road to Perdition

      by jlb on Sat May 07, 2005 at 04:17:58 AM PDT

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      •  hmm (none)
        I hope you weren't implying I had any "anti-Bush nostalgia for Reagan."  As I said, I have no love for him. If you did think (or accuse) me of having nostalgia for Reagan, that's one of the problem sI have with the comments on Kos - a sort of "you either agree with my comment/diary wholly or you must epitomize/be nostalgic for the thing I am against". If that's not what you meant, sorry for the projection. ;)

        But while that is a good analogy, the people we need to win over plain and simple don't give a fuck. They don't CARE how Reagan's actions led to the situation we're in. Any bit of historical clarification will go right over their heads as they nod off into their TV dinner halfway through the evening news.

        The only people who will really care about that are the people like us - policy wonks and people interested in the history and complexities of politics. For Joe Average Voter, this won't matter at all when it comes to makign their voting decisions. It's a "what have you done for me lately" world and that's where we have to focus - on the now. Not on the 20 years ago.

        •  No projection merited (none)
          but I understand the question that comes about. No, I'm with you. We have to present a viable, fully competitive alternative NOW - people don't care about principle at all, they just care about whether you can carry it off or not.

          "There are only murderers in this room" - John Rooney in The Road to Perdition

          by jlb on Wed May 11, 2005 at 04:42:59 PM PDT

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