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  •  tell me why they should vote. (0+ / 0-)

    more NDAA?
    more FISA?
    more SOPA?
    more war?

    for what are we voting? all the blah blah blah about the Supreme Court doesn't thrill me at all. If we have presidents selecting judges who back hacking away at our civil liberties or justices that would finally side with the paramilitary police actions of countless OCCUPY encounters, how does that help me with privacy, abortion, and marriage equality?

    i know that health care sounds good as an issue. marriage equality too. but there are far more important indicators of how the American society will handle civil rights for ALL of its citizens as opposed to unregulated free-for-all granted to global corporations and banks. and watch out for the bankers man... europe is their first mark apparently, trying to force countries to accept this new order to um "save" the euro. not buying it.

    Anyway... when the President or any other national Dem wants to attack the prison industry or the medical industrial complex or stop warring... then maybe you'd some of those 90 million invested in voting. until then... i'm not surprised it's a hard sell.

    •  The issues listed by Pfiore8 poll like this: (1+ / 0-)
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      Crashing Vor

      http://www.gallup.com/...

      (in terms of what's most important, includes all Americans)

      Economic:

      Corruption: 1% (interesting coincidence)

      Non-economic:

      "War": 1-2%

      Judicial: 1-2%

    •  An excellent concern troll (0+ / 0-)

      Donut hole pie

      Ingredients: Enough donut holes to fill a pie shell

      Procedure: Enjoy!

      Hey, Mitt! Thanks for ObamneyCare. http://www.healthcare.gov

      by Mokurai on Wed Aug 15, 2012 at 08:38:05 AM PDT

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    •  The government is doing something I don't like! (2+ / 0-)
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      Crashing Vor, Sue B

      Therefore, I'm not going to do the one thing that might stop them from doing it!

    •  "Humphrey doesn't hate the war enough!" (0+ / 0-)

      So we'll just build an alternative culture. And the war will last another seven years. Sounds good to me.

      •  it's simple really. it's time to move on: (0+ / 0-)
        You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete.

        Buckminster Fuller

        so perhaps you were being sarcastic, but your response has more merit than you might think.
        •  Well, the 20,000 men who died in Vietnam (0+ / 0-)

          from January 1969 to the end of the war sure escaped the "existing" model. They don't exist.

          •  whaaaaaaaat? (0+ / 0-)

            not sure what you mean.

            you might enjoy this, however:

            •  You know, I am a great admirer of Fuller, (0+ / 0-)

              but his legacy is rather scant outside of architecture. Perhaps most famous for popularizing the geodesic dome (not inventing, by the way), his ideas of a whole earth were not original, either.

              (The dome's most frequent use, ironically, has been as a cover for military radars).

              Fuller has always been a great inspiration to me personally, for his approach to creativity and design, and for his famous response to the suicidal impulse.

              A world-changer? Not so much. Robert Wagner and FDR impacted your personal quality of life much more than Fuller. Hell, Richard Eames shaped your world more than Fuller. McLuhan shaped your understanding of thought, media and design more than Fuller. Hell, Ernie Kovacs did more to educate people on the plasticity of reality than Fuller.

              Great guy, smart guy, but of minimal actual impact on the world.

              •  not sure about your point. (1+ / 0-)
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                do you mean we shouldn't consider his ideas? i am certain his "minimal" impact can be considered in this one question:

                it's to do with the individual... does the individual really have the courage to go along with the truth?
                i take it he means truth in a society based on collectivism having the same goals perhaps as objectivism (since its so much in the conversation these days) via different means.

                happiness. the pursuit of happiness.

                anyway. facing an objective truth (if there is such a thing) is hard. harder yet is acting (or knowing what to do) on the basis of that information.

                Ayn Rand's view makes it so much easier because you have no obligation to help the cripple in front of you... there is no means to examine how the cripple got there, even when it can truly be the result of your capitalistic pursuit... as long as you didn't overtly harm, which is nonsense of course.

                like my sister buying an SUV and my asking her if she had a clue about the impact of that one decision on native peoples in South America (I know I know... but yet...)

                Fuller, on the other hand in my reading, asks us if we are willing to be responsible meaning: do we (can we) accept that our actions have consequences that impact those around us. and that impact on others causes impact further and further out. and if we accept that, do we have what it takes to act in a way that mitigates the negative and promotes the positive?

                all this to say (and now maybe i'm way off track) that it's easier to vote for Democrats than to stop participating in a corrupted and broken system and beginning NOW TODAY to find some other way to make it work.

    •  You may know those terms, but those not voting (1+ / 0-)
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      don't. (outside of the war, and even then there are many who don't understand it)

      NDAA, SOPA and FISA?   Even some of the active people I know don't know what those terms are.

      Republicans: They hate us for our Freedom.

      by mikeconwell on Wed Aug 15, 2012 at 03:22:13 PM PDT

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