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  •  Republicans Already Convinced Seniors That We're (4+ / 0-)

    the ones doing this, that was the centerpiece of their big 2010 victory. They won't need to work hard to maintain the established view of seniors and that was the first thing they did out of the gate the day after Ryan was announced.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Wed Aug 15, 2012 at 10:38:55 AM PDT

    •  I don't think so (17+ / 0-)

      For one thing, a lot of seniors saw their prescription drug costs reduced. And haven't seen changes that hurt to Medicare. The sky hasn't fallen in, and they're saving some money.

      That doesn't mean they're embracing Obamacare, but I think it'll leave an opening to convince them. And they are paying attention.

      The Ryan/Romney/Boehner panic on Medicare also means that Republicans don't think they're convincing anyone.

      "There’s class warfare, all right, but it’s my class, the rich class, that’s making war, and we’re winning." —Warren Buffett

      by Joan McCarter on Wed Aug 15, 2012 at 11:54:29 AM PDT

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      •  I agree Joan. (3+ / 0-)

        This is an important diary that needs sharing.  I do believe many seniors are confused all to hell and we need to explain what the RR plan is really about.


        I would rather spend my life searching for truth than live a single day within the comfort of a lie. ~ John Victor Ramses

        by KayCeSF on Wed Aug 15, 2012 at 03:39:44 PM PDT

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        •  My Mom the Sarah lover, fox news watcher (5+ / 0-)

          Does not grasp this point!

          My step fathers nursing home is partially paid by Medicaid ....
          He has both legs amputated for diabetes and she could no longer care for him.... Even though she is a retired RN.

          They are from Wisconsin and none of the activities there have made any dent in her perception ....

          How can we get these facts understood?

          •  wow. (0+ / 0-)

            She is obviously a hard case.  So many out there are and I don't think some of them will ever get it.  Because they don't want to? I can only suggest for you take the argument to a personal level with your mom, run some hypotheticals in her own life, to try to get her see how this affects all of us!  

            I would rather spend my life searching for truth than live a single day within the comfort of a lie. ~ John Victor Ramses

            by KayCeSF on Wed Aug 15, 2012 at 04:07:22 PM PDT

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          •  Put parental control on her TeeVee so (2+ / 0-)
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            she can't get Faux News anymore.  Tell her it is for her own good for one month.  Have her watch Rachel Maddow.

            One month, that's all it will take.

            •  Fantastic guerrilla tactics! (1+ / 0-)
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              Put parental control on her TeeVee so she can't get Faux News anymore.
              Almost all functional TVs these days have the "V Chip" in them (to protect republican sensibilities). Virtually none of them utilize the parental control feature. We could go around to every TV we have access to and block Fox "News" then change the password to some completely random and very forgettable string of characters. Imagine ALL of our relatives completely unable to see Fox "News" ever again!

              --- Keep Christian mythology out of science class!

              by cybersaur on Wed Aug 15, 2012 at 04:44:50 PM PDT

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          •  So many people who just don't get it (0+ / 0-)

            They are so brainwashed by the ideology of the debate that they have no concept of how much damage it will do to themselves and those they love.

            Democrats and especially Progressives must start to educate people. This is what $ for advertising should go to.

            Skepticism of all the elite institutions, not trust, is what required for successful leadership in this era. Digby

            by coral on Wed Aug 15, 2012 at 04:51:41 PM PDT

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      •  Plus any change to SS that lets young people keep (4+ / 0-)

        some of their payroll tax money in a private account means less coming in to  pay current retiree benefits.  The transition costs are what should kill any SS "reform".  There is no way, no way to change e program for those under 55 without harming those now collecting benefits or who will collect in the near future.

        The scientific uncertainty doesn't mean that climate change isn't actually happening.

        by Mimikatz on Wed Aug 15, 2012 at 03:44:03 PM PDT

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        •  Absolutely true (3+ / 0-)

          And at least some of us seniors totally understand this.  Moreover, even if seniors were never going to lose their benefits under this plan, I find it difficult to believe a vast number of seniors would be willing to abandon their sons and daughters, nieces and nephews, and grandchildren to such a fate, merely to protect their benefits.  Reaching seniority does not necessarily mean forgetting how these things work.

          "It's called the American dream because you have to be asleep to believe it." ~ George Carlin

          by vigilant meerkat on Wed Aug 15, 2012 at 04:16:44 PM PDT

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      •  Very important diary, Joan, and thanks for that (6+ / 0-)

        accompanying photo which does give pause because most tend to think of grandmas being left poverty stricken, but the grandpas are just as vulnerable.  Of course, the GOP can always extend its war on women all the way to the grave, can't they?

        Romney went to France instead of serving in our military, got rich chop-shopping US businesses and eliminating US jobs, off-shored his money in the Cayman Islands, and now tells us to "Believe in America."

        by judyms9 on Wed Aug 15, 2012 at 03:44:40 PM PDT

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      •  And Seniors get a monthly drug cost statement (3+ / 0-)
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        that makes it clear what you have paid and what is left for the year.  Those who fell into the donut hole before, and those who were close to it, should be well aware now of how it is different.

        The scientific uncertainty doesn't mean that climate change isn't actually happening.

        by Mimikatz on Wed Aug 15, 2012 at 03:46:10 PM PDT

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      •  Costs to younger people with elderly parents (1+ / 0-)
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        This is something I haven't seen anyone talk about--how much money it will cost children of aging parents who lose either Medicare or Medicaid benefits.

        Shifting either the burden of caring or paying for elders who need health care or long-term care is going to be overwhelming to people in their 30s, 40s or 50s who are still paying off college debt and supporting children of their own.

        Romney-Ryan would be a an unimaginable disaster for the great majority of the middle class.

        Someone needs to press this point!

        Skepticism of all the elite institutions, not trust, is what required for successful leadership in this era. Digby

        by coral on Wed Aug 15, 2012 at 04:49:09 PM PDT

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        •  This happened to me. (0+ / 0-)

          And to my elderly Mom, after Dad got sick and then died - during 3 years of blindness, deafness, severe osteoporisis and a collapsed spine, extreme anxiety and depression and nonstop suffering, 4 nursing "homes" and non-stop hospital stays.  My parents' lifetime of savings (Dad was also a WWII vet) was completely decimated - he needed an aide even THOUGH in all these nursing homes.

          Don't think that going to a nursing home is a great thing - the abuse he suffered can fill a book. His illness was so severe that we couldn't take care of him at home, even with an aide. Mom is disabled from a car having hit her years ago.

          The nursing home-acquired infections, our frustration, screaming, attempts at "negotiation," crappy nursing home doctors who never call you back, and Dad's loneliness and neglect were hallmarks of a tragic system. We had to get him an aide to watch over him, even IN the nursing "home."  It was hell on earth.

          All monies Mom and Dad and I ever saved from a lifetime of hard work at the best jobs we could find went to his care, and to whatever we could do to make sure Mom had food and could stay in her meager apartment of 37 years.

          I cashed in my small savings to pay for these things.
          The only "relief" came after Dad died, after years of his suffering. And now, I must mandatorily retire in 3 years. I am not married, and have no cushion to rely on.

          We were regular middle-class folks our whole lives who worked every day we weren't in school or college (paid for years ago by loans and scholarships) and saved up as much as we could, taking loving and smart care of our parents, now faced with a terrifying future. I live my life in desperation and fear - and I HATE that my elderly Mom has to spend her final years without the peace of mind that her own child will not suffer as they did.

          •  No way in hell a guy like Dad could've figured out (0+ / 0-)

            a new insurance plan, either. Or his family.

            We were completely drained each day from Dad's illness and the most we could do physically and emotionally was to write that week's check (do this before eating, before we forget and lose the aide or the apt.), then stuff some three-day old sandwich into our mouths for dinner and collapse into bed. Get up next day and go to nursing home to face new unbelievable human neglect, fight, try to negotiate, cry, and go home. Stuff face with sandwich. Sleep. Have nightmares. Get up and do it again.

            To have to shop for insurance plans would have made me jump out a window. It was all I could do to keep things afloat, as it was. Even with the invaluable help of Medicare and Medicaid as we know it.

            Completely eliminating the little money we had and needed would have killed Dad quickly and made the rest of us sicker than we were or felt. I was immensely grateful for Medicare and Medicaid.

            If Dad hadn't had Medicare and Medicaid in its current form, he would have died in greater pain than he eventually did.

            Those of you who've faced this know what I mean.
            Romney/Ryan: Death Squad for Medicare.

    •  I suppose you can prove all this fear-mongering (0+ / 0-)


      Romney - his fingernails have never been anything but manicured.

      by Pescadero Bill on Wed Aug 15, 2012 at 03:42:20 PM PDT

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