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  •  If he knowingly withheld money from the church (15+ / 0-)

    Then he doesn't care what the Church thinks. The tithing in mandated for people who want a Temple recommend, and you can't do your required stuff without you can't get to your ultimate Celestial reward...that's what he stands to lose. Nobody would be excommunicated or otherwise retaliated against. There's no Mormon jail. Punishments are severe within the belief system, but they're not actually threatening.

    But more than that, it's a sacrifice of gratitude. It's a recognition of God's blessings and your obligations to Him. It's a gesture meant to show that you understand your earthly possessions are nothing compared to God's eternal grace. It's not charity, and it's disgusting to me that Queen Ann claims it is. Genuinely, I find that absolutely revolting and I don't even believe their God (or any God) exists!

    If they're willing to stiff the church, it's because they are proud, arrogant, and don't really believe. For the true believers, the tithe is sacred...for everybody else it's just a burden, just something done for show.

    "There's an iPad 3 and a Mitt Romney 4 now. They've worked the bugs out. He's not killing hobos at night anymore."

    by muzzleofbees on Wed Aug 15, 2012 at 10:24:14 PM PDT

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    •  This is a good point and one I have also (0+ / 0-)

      thought about.  Perhaps Romney did not give the required tithe to his church.

      The romneys are square as far as taxes go (albeit at a low rate hidden in foreign bank accounts and completely within every loophole of the tax code) but he LIED to his churh about how much he made and donated less.  

      Hell, perhaps it's both.  

      All these questions could be easily answered if only he released the returns.  

    •  If he's stiffing his church, then he's also not (0+ / 0-)

      faithful to his religion.  One can stiff the mortal representatives of your church, but if you're lying to them, you're also lying to God, which is the ultimate in impossibilities.  If he's trying that, then he doesn't believe in the all-powerful, all-knowing God or he's betting his soul that God doesn't care, despite what the Church says.

      His soul would burn for awhile, if not forever, if he's lying to his church.  I believe his religious-right followers would never vote for him if this came out, if they didn't come after him with pitchforks for being a true devil from a non-Christian cult.

      •  Definitely terrible for him politically (0+ / 0-)

        I'm sure the religious right already can barely stand to vote for him. But it's one thing to be a's another thing to be an atheist. And you've laid out exactly why they'd reach that conclusion 100%.

        But if the Mormon God is real and Joseph Smith really did receive revelation to restore the true gospel of Jesus Christ, he won't burn forever. He'll just roast long enough for him to pay for and absolve his own sins...non-Mormons will at least have the chance to repent and convert in the afterlife (that['s why baptism for the dead is necessary)...but dudes who know the truth and turn their back on it are second only to hypocrites (so on balance at least I won't be burning as long as Mitt! lol).

        "There's an iPad 3 and a Mitt Romney 4 now. They've worked the bugs out. He's not killing hobos at night anymore."

        by muzzleofbees on Thu Aug 16, 2012 at 09:45:29 PM PDT

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