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  •  You don't want Manning to "rot," (0+ / 0-)

    so you say.  CrazyHorse amended his definition downthread of "rot" to, uh, a

    metaphor for "never getting out of prison."
    which ignores the torture he's already endured, btw.  This discussion seems to involve tough-guy gangster-movie talk, which it turns out is only metaphoric for something else, and solitary confinement of the accused for over a year is never mentioned.  How poetical.

    Less like a dispassionate authority on US Army court martial proceedings; more like an arm-chair prosecutor, VClib.  Know thyself.

    Solitary Confinement: It has been widely documented that solitary confinement is a cruel practice which causes permanent psychological damage to those who have been treated in that manner. Solitary confinement alone, even in the absence of brutality can cause emotional damage, hallucinations, delusions, depersonalisation and declines mental functioning. It has also been documented that the circumstances surrounding the detention has a significant impact on the psychological damage experienced by the detainee, such as not knowing why they are being detained in such a way which is common in Guantanamo. Solitary confinement is banned under Common Article Three of the Geneva Conventions as it amounts to cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment.

    When something like this is done to our soldiers by foreign governments or terrorists, we raise hell.  When done by our own government to one of our own soldiers, someone will always come forward to sanction the whole proceeding, this time by citing a special "understanding" of a US Army court martial.  Everyone who disagrees is "delusional," as you've called us.  VClib, "what's with the personal attack?"

    Sunday mornings are more beautiful without Meet the Press.

    by deben on Thu Aug 16, 2012 at 03:53:21 PM PDT

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    •  deben - my comment that included the term (0+ / 0-)

      "delusional" was in regards to my view that Manning will be convicted and sentenced to a long term at his court martial. Military courts and juries are even more insulated from public opinion than civilian courts. I am not a lawyer or expert on the UCMJ or court martial procedure, although I have served on a court martial jury. Manning does have five levels of appeal after his court martial, including the POTUS and the Supreme Court, and I think it is likely that his case will be pursued through all levels of appeal. At one of those appeals his treatment when he was in Quantico may be considered. At present the DoD does not consider solitary confinement as torture, and it has not been ruled as torture by the SCOTUS, or any state supreme court, to the best of my knowledge.

      I think it is appropriate for people to object to Manning's treatment, advocate that he have a fair trial and support him and his defense. I don't know if he is guilty or innocent because I have not seen any of the evidence, but if he did in fact release thousands of classified documents he should be kept in prison for a very long time. We can't have PFCs making their own decisions on what material should be unclassified. Had Manning released only the helicopter attack I think he would have a legitimate whistleblower defense, but if he did release thousands of classified documents I don't think he can legitimately claim whistleblower status.  

      "let's talk about that"

      by VClib on Thu Aug 16, 2012 at 04:40:34 PM PDT

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