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  •  You had me until that last sentence. (4+ / 0-)

    I've met and read a handful of atheists who are very well-versed in Christianity and Christian history, almost all of them escapees from a religious upbringing (or just private schooling) irrelevant or antithetical to their perceptions of self and universe. Then there is a larger subset of atheists who appear knowledgeable to other atheists and non-religious people because they can quote up a storm from scripture (and some of them are most exceeding proud of the volume of scripture they can quote). They don't realize that quoting from scripture has nothing to do with gaining understanding from or through it.

    My eyebrow can't resist a trip to the hairline when folks in this 2nd category insist they know What Christians Believe, as if we are or have ever been a monolith. To me, it's a bit like being sternly lectured on "Menstrual Cramps -- History, Myth, and Reality" by a roomful of men. Hard to say what in that lecture qualifies as actual "knowledge"...

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    •  I find your lack of faith in us atheists (2+ / 0-)
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      ...disturbing...

      No, by actual test, atheists tend to know more about the minutiae of faith--multiple faiths--than do the adherents.

      (Of course, some of us are former altar boys, as well as atheists.)  

      Confirmation is my middle name.

      America, we can do better than this...

      by Randomfactor on Thu Aug 16, 2012 at 04:54:43 PM PDT

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      •  I'll try another metaphor. (1+ / 0-)
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        I can stand out in my driveway, straddling 5 bushels of textbooks and refereed journal articles, lecturing my treebats by the hour on the scientific minutiae of their physiology, the frequencies of sound they can hear, what I know about their breeding and dietary habits, distribution, the speed at which they can fly, their embryology, diseases, mean and median life span, etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc.

        And I still won't have the first real clue what it's like to be those bats, echolocate food, feel what it feels like to emit and receive such high frequency sounds, enter and exit hibernation.

        •  Neither do you know.... (0+ / 0-)

          ....what it is to be a "Christian" (generic type). You only know "what it is to be you, who claim on disputable and unproveable grounds, to be a Christian."

          "They smash your face in, and say you were always ugly." (Solzhenitsyn)

          by sagesource on Thu Aug 16, 2012 at 08:40:12 PM PDT

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          •  Which is just to say there is no "generic type," (0+ / 0-)

            the basis for any claims I make concerning my Christianity being of perfect equality to the claims of all Christian others.

            And how can one even begin to apply concepts such as "provable" or "unprovable" to the state of being or not being Christian? Such concepts apply to the universe of shared observations, not to inner states of being or perception.

    •  Actually, (6+ / 0-)

      the studies are out there.  Atheists generally do come out on top as far as factual knowledge about religion goes.

      I don't think we have to jump from statistical generalities to worries about monoliths, except there does seem to be a general tendency to conflate statistical trends and zero-sum thinking, such that "most" morphs into "all" very quickly over the course of discussions.  One of the most maddening phenomena of contemporary (and perhaps general) discourse.  But I don't think Ojibwa was guilty of that.

      If religion means a way of life, and life's necessities are food, clothing, and shelter, then we should not separate religion from economics. - Malcolm X

      by dirkster42 on Thu Aug 16, 2012 at 04:57:23 PM PDT

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    •  speaking of monoliths (0+ / 0-)

      You seem to be generalising a lot there yourself. Just sayin'.

      All things in the sky are pure to those who have no telescopes. – Charles Fort

      by subtropolis on Thu Aug 16, 2012 at 11:59:29 PM PDT

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