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View Diary: Aug. 19, 1953: When the Eisenhower Administration destroyed Iran's secular democracy (281 comments)

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  •  Obviously there were atrocities on both sides, (0+ / 0-)

    but without the US involvement to begin with there would have been no Contra terrorist group, no war, and likely very little conflict outside of Bluefields (where the Somocistas first regrouped after the revolution).    The US chose to create that conflict.

    It's also frankly idiotic to equate the Contras to the Sandinistas given that the Contras primarily targeted civilians.

    •  The second part of your first sentence is simply (0+ / 0-)

      not factually correct, and the US didn't create that conflict, it made an existing conflict much worse. You're not really arguing that the whole country was backing the Sandinistas or had be cowed prior to US involvement, are you? We don't and can't know how it would have gone without US involvement.  Perhaps the situation would have been peace followed by an evolution to a decent regime, but it's also possible that the outcome is nearly as bad as what happened, or perhaps it becomes something like Cuba or, alternatively, perhaps it becomes something like Cambodia from 1975-79 (or perhaps El Salvador gets even uglier).  

      Again, my point was that we can agree that there are some things that are quite clearly not actions the US should pursue.  My problem is with people that seem to believe and argue that if we did nothing in the international sphere (including the Ron/Rand Paul crowd) or spoke nicely to everyone (including those that have inimical goals to liberal values) and gave them flowers, that the world would turn out a better place.

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