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  •  Oh yeah? That hasn't been true since 1800 (1+ / 0-)
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    Historically, VPs have a leg up on the competition
    Who has actually pulled off getting elected President after having been Vice-President (without finishing out a Presidential term and then running AS President)?

    John Adams, 1796
    Thomas Jefferson, 1800 (in a squeaker)
    ----- rule change from winner-take-all/runner-up take second -----
    Martin van Buren, 1836
    Richard Nixon, 1968 (8 years later)
    George HW Bush (1988)

    That's hardly a strong case for your argument.

    If it's
    Not your body,
    Then it's
    Not your choice
    And it's
    None of your damn business!

    by TheOtherMaven on Sun Aug 19, 2012 at 03:21:58 PM PDT

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    •  I was referring to the primaries where the various (0+ / 0-)

      aspirants duke it out; sorry if I were not clear

      •  That hasn't always helped either :-) (0+ / 0-)

        Aaron Burr was kicked off the 1804 ticket (Jefferson had every reason not to trust him)
        George Clinton never officially ran (he pulled 6 electoral votes from "faithless electors" in 1808).
        John C. Calhoun locked horns with Andrew Jackson - and lost, so he was off the 1832 ticket.
        Richard M. Johnson squeaked onto the ticket in 1836 and got dumped in 1840.
        George M. Dallas wasn't picked by anybody in 1848.
        John C. Breckinridge (Buchanan's VP in 1856) went Confederate.
        Abe Lincoln traded in Hannibal Hamlin (1860-1864) for Andrew Johnson in hopes of postwar fence-mending (didn't work out too well).
        Schuyler Colfax (1868-1872) got the boot - they shoulda kept him, as his replacement, Henry Wilson, died in office.
        William Wheeler (1876-1880) was uninteresting before, during and after his term.
        Levi P. Morton was passed over in 1892, and had a failed run at the Presidential nomination in 1896.
        Adlai Stevenson (the first) got out-charismaed in 1896, and ran for VP again in 1900 with the man who out-charismaed him: William Jennings Bryan. (They lost.)
        Charles W. Fairbanks was shut out in 1908, and was VP on the losing ticket in 1916.
        Thomas R. Marshall got nowhere in 1920 despite (or because of?) being Wilson's two-term VP.
        Charles G. Dawes was passed over for VP in 1928 through the personal intervention of the President he had served under: Calvin Coolidge.
        Charles Curtis went back to practicing law in 1932 (it was a good time to have a steady job, ANY job).
        John Nance Garner served two terms, made too many enemies, didn't want a third term (FDR DID, though), and went back to private life.
        Henry Wallace served that third VP term and got the heave-ho. He ran as a third-party candidate for President in 1948 and finished a dismal fourth, behind Strom Thurmond(!).
        Alben Barkley withdrew in 1952 after campaigning for a mere 20 days.

        It seems to be only recently (since about 1960) that having been a sitting VP counts for much.

        If it's
        Not your body,
        Then it's
        Not your choice
        And it's
        None of your damn business!

        by TheOtherMaven on Sun Aug 19, 2012 at 05:19:32 PM PDT

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