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  •  The facts of the matter is that the UK, (5+ / 0-)
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    one way or another, will gain custody of Assange, even if it simply revoked Embassy status for Ecuador. So this doesn't necessarily involve storming of anything. Assange will be seized by the authorities and will be extradited to Sweden and will face the charges against him. Whether or not Sweden will respond to efforts to extradite him to the USA is another issue. I have not followed the Assange case in detail, so I am not in a position to talk about the merits of his case. But I simply point out that Ecuador has damaged its relations with Britain for no benefit to either Ecuador or Assange. Staving off the inevitable is simply just that and nothing more. So I am still at a bit of a loss as to why Ecuador did what it did. It cannot hope to prevail.

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    by Anne Elk on Fri Aug 17, 2012 at 01:20:04 PM PDT

    •  This is the one thing people seem to be missing (3+ / 0-)
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      Why hasn't the u.s. asked for him to be extradited from the u.k. if they want him so bad. The U.K. has a recent history of basically extraditing anyone the u.s. asks them to, much to the chagrin of the brits.

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      by voroki on Fri Aug 17, 2012 at 01:23:41 PM PDT

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      •  B/c US probably doesn't have a case against him. (3+ / 0-)
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        But no one here will believe that, of course. It's all US conspiracy all the time.

      •  It may be an issue of precedence (1+ / 0-)
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        If Sweden has issued a warrant, then I assume that the UK would honor that before any others.

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        by Anne Elk on Fri Aug 17, 2012 at 01:27:23 PM PDT

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        •  But he had been in the u.k. on numerous occasions (0+ / 0-)

          prior to the swedish request for extradition. Why didn't they ask then?

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          by voroki on Fri Aug 17, 2012 at 01:30:30 PM PDT

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          •  I think charges have to be filed (2+ / 0-)
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            in order for a warrant to be issued, and that would be followed by an extradition request. Someone with more detailed knowledge of this affair might be able to say whether charges have been filed in a US court, but I suspect not. In that case, it would be difficult to argue that the US has a strong interest in extraditing him even from Sweden. My hunch is that he wil never be extradited to the US. But it's only a hunch. If the US wanted to go through the embarrassment of wading through all those leaked memos again, it probably would have taken action by now.

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            by Anne Elk on Fri Aug 17, 2012 at 01:57:02 PM PDT

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      •  Facts?!?! What's this? (5+ / 0-)
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        You know logic isn't allowed in these diaries!

        Courtesy Kos. Trying to call on the better angels of our nature.

        by Mindful Nature on Fri Aug 17, 2012 at 01:31:27 PM PDT

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      •  Not always. (0+ / 0-)

        The UK often has a very different attitude toward the severity of a crime than the Americans, and in cases where the difference is extreme, court cases can go on forever (Think Jarndyce vs. Jarndyce in Dickens' Bleak House).
        The caveat is that they will go along with the Americans if: a. their goals are similar, and the embassy leaks embarrassed both governments enough that this could apply, or b. the Americans are so overbearing that it would be suicidal to object, and from what the current administration has said, this might be the case.

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        by northsylvania on Fri Aug 17, 2012 at 02:27:56 PM PDT

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        •  Tell that to Richard O'Dwyer and gary McKinnon (0+ / 0-)

          The 2003 treaty actually says americans only have to have a "reasonable suspicion" for extradition to be approved.

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          by voroki on Fri Aug 17, 2012 at 02:34:16 PM PDT

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    •  Why are they so desperate (1+ / 0-)
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      to get their greasy little clutches on him?  Surely it's not worth all the expense and international incidents to nab a guy who hasn't even been charged with anything.

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      by Johnny Q on Fri Aug 17, 2012 at 04:07:44 PM PDT

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      •  They want to make him an example. (1+ / 0-)
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        If you have information that is damaging to U.S. "official" policy (or reputation), do not release it or you're toast.

        This is censorship and violation of U.S. First Amendment and international right to freedom of speech in spades.

        Allowing publication of secret government documents would set an obvious adverse example... and the government could be embarrassed -- as it should be by its current behavior.

        If enough people clamor, the governement's position might change.  Nixon's claim to "national security" as a reason for not releasing tapes injurious to him was ultimately thrown out judicially... but Nixon was already seriously unpopular.

        Kick apart the structures - Seth

        by ceebee7 on Fri Aug 17, 2012 at 06:00:12 PM PDT

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