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  •  we're talking about driver's licenses (2+ / 0-)
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    sponson, mmacdDE

    In theory, at least, as long as a free voter ID alternative exists, refusing to accept cash for a driver's license (or the DMV non-driver photo ID) doesn't seem to be a poll tax, since it isn't required in order to vote.

    At best, it's another example of how being poor is expensive.

    •  you have a Drivers licence or a voter ID (2+ / 0-)
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      so if you want to vote and drive you have to pay for the license... if you have free voter card you have to hand it in if you later apply for a Drivers license.... at least that seems to be the current situation.

      Pogo & Murphy's Law, every time. Also "Trust but verify" - St. Ronnie (hah...)

      by IreGyre on Sat Aug 18, 2012 at 07:23:51 AM PDT

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    •  DL is a cost, non driver is free ..... (1+ / 0-)
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      BUT, they won't let a person have both.  So, if you want to drive AND vote, yes, you pay a fee.  If all you want to do is vote, no fee.

      And you don't see a problem here?

      'Destroying America, One middle class family and one civil liberty at a time: Today's GOP'

      by emsprater on Sat Aug 18, 2012 at 07:33:48 AM PDT

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      •  I don't see why you can't have both a driver's (1+ / 0-)
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        license and state id.  I live in Illinois and I have both (this was when it looked like you would need two photo IDs to fly).

        There is no saving throw against stupid.

        by Throw The Bums Out on Sat Aug 18, 2012 at 10:12:51 AM PDT

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      •  Not really (1+ / 0-)
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        HudsonValleyMark

        You don't need both. If you don't need to drive, you get the free one. If you do, you get a drivers license - which is also good for ID when voting.

      •  I think I agree with mmacdDE (0+ / 0-)

        It's not exactly that I don't see a problem here -- but what exactly is the problem? That people have to pay a fee for driver's licenses? That the state doesn't want to issue two valid photo IDs to one person?

        •  The problem is that if people want to vote .... (0+ / 0-)

          they have to pay a fee if they also want to drive.  If they don't want to drive, they can vote without a poll tax.  IMHO, making the DL the only other form of State ID eligible makes it a 'fee' based ability to vote.

          Not to even mention the basic problem the diarist reported on, having to either use a checking account ( which many do not have) or a money order ( which costs an additional amount, and must be prepared and taken in advance) .  Imagine if a poor person used their last funds to purchase the money order and for whatever reason was not successful in obtaining the license!

          Cash should be accepted tender for all state required fees, in every state.

          'Destroying America, One middle class family and one civil liberty at a time: Today's GOP'

          by emsprater on Sat Aug 18, 2012 at 01:23:45 PM PDT

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          •  well... (1+ / 0-)
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            Cash should be accepted tender for all state required fees, in every state.
            At least on first impression, I agree. That may have perverse consequences that I haven't considered. I wonder if anyone ever wrote a diary on that topic before.
            The problem is that if people want to vote ....

            they have to pay a fee if they also want to drive.  If they don't want to drive, they can vote without a poll tax.  IMHO, making the DL the only other form of State ID eligible makes it a 'fee' based ability to vote.

            We seem to be going in circles. PA imposes a fee to drive; it doesn't necessarily impose a fee to vote. If you want a DL, which also lets you vote, there is a fee for that, so I guess you can think of that as a fee-based ability to vote. However, since you would be able to vote by obtaining the free ID instead, I'm still not clear on the exact nature of the problem.
    •  talking about state ID (1+ / 0-)
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      I know the story of my incident is kind of complicated, but basically it started with me trying to transfer my driver's license and running into a glitch, and ended up demonstrating that I was denied a free state ID (not the driver's license, the state ID) for voting.

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