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  •  How does a cop know your out of state license (1+ / 0-)
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    is no good? How does he or she know where you live?

    Two hundred million Americans, and there ain't two good catchers among 'em. --Casey Stengel

    by LongTom on Sat Aug 18, 2012 at 11:23:23 AM PDT

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    •  The run the DL number. (2+ / 0-)
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      Through the awesomeness of this thing called the internet, they check the NY database in real time, and it comes up as valid or invalid.

      When the diarist would turn in their old NY driver license, PA department of transportation notifies NY DMV that the person is no longer a NY driver, and the databases are updated IN REAL TIME.

      Glorificus, by using that 'hold the old one for a bit' strategy, could actually be arrested for driving on an invalid license, if he/she gave a cop the license for the old state after doing the paperwork for the new state of residence. Good luck, glory, hope you don't actually have that happen to you.

      •  You didn't answer the question. How does a cop (0+ / 0-)

        in PA know you aren't a resident of NY when you hand him a NY license? Assuming NY licenses are good for 5 years at a time, you could move to PA 4+ years after getting your NY license, use it for ID, drive around happily getting traffic tickets. Unless you're registering a car in your own name in PA, how's the cop going to know you're not a New Yorker? Why bother getting a PA license at all? (And even if you DO register a car in PA, lots of people own cars in more than one state. don't they? Romney, for instance. )Why would the NY license come up as invalid, unless it was revoked or something, or unless YOU invalidated it for some reason?

        Two hundred million Americans, and there ain't two good catchers among 'em. --Casey Stengel

        by LongTom on Sat Aug 18, 2012 at 10:21:31 PM PDT

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        •  I did answer it. (0+ / 0-)

          Look, people simply do not understand there is a larger nationwide system in place to prevent people having multiple identities spread across multiple states.

          You want to vote in pa? You register and fill out the forms and show multiple forms of ID, which are cross checked in federal databases and multiple entries show up.

          Do the due diligence here, Tom. Got a job? Then you have to claim someplace as residency, fill out federal and state forms. Got a car? Good luck keeping it registered to some address in NY if you don't live there anymore - the mail sent there is returned as not a valid addressee. Look up postal regulations for names on boxes and get some clue.

          See, it doesn't even progress to the point where you've fooled the cross-check database computers and arrive at a traffic stop.

          It is this simple - if you are active and engaged in the world then you are leaving a paper trail that is digitized and the information is cross checked at some level.

          •  Obviously if I registered my car in (0+ / 0-)

            PA and hand the cop a NY license, he's going to think something's up. But if I'm driving a car registered to somebody else, or a rental, I highly doubt that a normal i.d. check from his patrol car would turn up voter registration information, or tell him where I work. It'll tell him if I have any warrants out for me, but that's about all.

            Two hundred million Americans, and there ain't two good catchers among 'em. --Casey Stengel

            by LongTom on Mon Aug 20, 2012 at 08:19:12 AM PDT

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      •  Jay - I already said how I avoid that. 2nd (0+ / 0-)


        This is, of course, the difference between republicans and human beings. - Captain Frogbert

        by glorificus on Sun Aug 19, 2012 at 03:55:45 PM PDT

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        •  That's irrelevant. (0+ / 0-)

          Trying to avoid getting stopped in order to prevent them from running your now-invalid NY license is not a strategy... It's a roll of the dice.

          Good luck with that gamble should some cop decide to pull you over simply because your car has those NY plates, figuring that because you are far from home you will simply mail in the fine.

          Just within a block of me, I've seen new cars parking from virginia, oklahoma, georgia, and tennessee with people moving in. Who is getting the additional attention from the local cops? Yep, you guessed it, the out of towners.

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