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  •  hudsonvalleymark (0+ / 0-)

    No holder reports to the President of the USA. A different President, in another civil rights matter you may recall, used federal troops to uphold the civil rights marchers in Alabama.

    These times call for bold action. We have a recalcitrant and obstructionist right wing and a prone Democratic Party in "opposition".

    You asked what remedy I thought would work. Asked and answered...next.

    -7.5 -7.28, A carrot is as close as a rabbit gets to a diamond.-Don Van Vliet

    by Blueslide on Sun Aug 19, 2012 at 05:05:15 AM PDT

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    •  Blueslide (0+ / 0-)

      No, not asked and answered at all. If you've written off Holder and moved on to Obama, then the next question surely is obvious: what on earth, specifically, do you think Obama should do with the federal troops? "Bold action"? What bold action?

      •  Deny the enforcement of this law at the polls (0+ / 0-)

        If that takes force then so be it. Force the states to prove these laws are not discriminatory BEFORE enactment as Holder has said.

        I haven't written off Holder, but he is going about this in a"bi partisan" namby pamby style as has been the wont of the Obama administration. This is a civil rights issue that demands immediate and forceful action.

        What remedy do you suggest in forcing these states to follow the Constitution?

        -7.5 -7.28, A carrot is as close as a rabbit gets to a diamond.-Don Van Vliet

        by Blueslide on Sun Aug 19, 2012 at 06:02:19 AM PDT

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        •  please tell me you're just brainstorming (1+ / 0-)
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          Are you proposing that Obama send troops into Pennsylvania polling places to compel Pennsylvania pollworkers, at gunpoint, to violate Pennsylvania state law?

          That sounds like something out of a RedState fever dream. Letting the president trump the judicial branch by treating the U.S. armed forces as his private army seems pretty close to the opposite of following the Constitution.

          DoJ should keep pressing the state to demonstrate that it can adequately implement the law -- which I daresay none of us really believes. Assuming that the state can't adequately implement the law, DoJ can press for an injunction under the Voting Rights Act (although Rick Hasen thinks that, at the moment, that is a long shot). Maybe Holder has some more creative options, but he doesn't have plenipotentiary power here.

          Probably the best chance to get an injunction hinge on getting people to PennDOT offices and proving that PennDOT is unwilling and/or unable to implement the law. It appears that PennDOT has provided for far too few IDs, but that can't be demonstrated until people start demanding them. If the Commonwealth Court judge is sincere in distinguishing between a "facial" and an "as applied" challenge to the law, Pennsylvanians can help him out by acting now (or, for those who are only eligible for the DOS ID, next week) to obtain their IDs. That will give Holder, Advancement Project, the ACLU et al. more to work with.

          Getting people to PennDOT in the first place will take a formidable organizing effort, and it shouldn't be necessary. Those civil rights marches shouldn't have been necessary, either. But I really don't think Obama can solve the problem by invading Pennsylvania. YMMV.

          •  Of course I am brainstorming (0+ / 0-)

            But sitting around and waiting for Republicans to do the right thing is a recipe for failure. Are you seriously suggesting the federal government has to prove this law is discriminatory? You are going to wait around for some group or organization to gather evidence and formulate a case to prove it, then take it to court? How many people get disenfranchised in this process?

            It never ceases to amaze me how, when the law is violated, Democrats have trouble enforcing it. I am proposing that Obama compel poll workers to observe federal law. Perhaps the original voter registration requirements prior to the enactment of this law can be used as a guideline in November?

            The Republicans have been busy breaking the law for quite some time. Perhaps the most egregious is Bush's war crimes. The President's response was to take a pass. Rather than the opposition party too often Democrats act like the status quo party.

            -7.5 -7.28, A carrot is as close as a rabbit gets to a diamond.-Don Van Vliet

            by Blueslide on Sun Aug 19, 2012 at 05:41:32 PM PDT

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            •  oh my (0+ / 0-)
              Are you seriously suggesting the federal government has to prove this law is discriminatory?
              Nope, not at all. Dirty Harry can move in and kick some asses!!!1!

              But if we're going to talk about upholding the Constitution, then yeah, your suggestion has some problems -- and misrepresenting my position and complaining about how the Democrats are weak on law enforcement(!) doesn't address those problems.

              Here, let me try for some common ground:

              Perhaps the original voter registration requirements prior to the enactment of this law can be used as a guideline in November?
              If a court issues an injunction, that could still happen, yes, and just about all of us here thinks it should.

              Election protection: there's an app for that!
              Better Know Your Voting System with the Verifier!

              by HudsonValleyMark on Sun Aug 19, 2012 at 08:11:16 PM PDT

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              •  Does the state of PA (0+ / 0-)

                need to prove their law does not discriminate? According to Holder they do have to prove it to the DOJ and they have not.

                -7.5 -7.28, A carrot is as close as a rabbit gets to a diamond.-Don Van Vliet

                by Blueslide on Mon Aug 20, 2012 at 06:05:23 AM PDT

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