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  •  This diary is an advertisement (2+ / 0-)
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    I'm not opposed to ads on DKos. Paid advertising provides the funding that keeps the site going. I'm not even opposed to ads presented as DKos diaries. Candidates and campaigns do it all the time. But they generally have the decency to include a "full disclosure" statement indicating the diary is being posted by someone who has a stake in the game.

    Here, not so much. Thus, this diary is spam, posted by the group that has a financial stake in promoting this business venture.

    But no matter. They probably won't be around for long. I'd guess they aren't a particularly viable business if they are so broke they can only afford faked-out free ads like posting this diary.

    •  This is not an advertisement! This is my own... (2+ / 1-)
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      SeaTurtle

      ... humble opinion. I do not work for the Spaceport, and I am not affiliated with them in any way!

      I am writing a technical paper on the idea of a commercial space program. I thought I would let the Daily Kos community get a preview of the paper.

      If this post came across as a advertisement, then I must apologize, for that was not my intention.

      I did not know that to talk about something like this is to endorse a product or service.

      Reuse and commonality are the keys to a robust and profitable space program.

      by The NM STAR Group on Sun Sep 02, 2012 at 09:05:56 AM PDT

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      •  ahem, you prevaricate (1+ / 1-)
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        humble opinion. I do not work for the Spaceport, and I am not affiliated with them in any way!
        Why, then do you go under their name?  "The NM Star Group"?

        YOU IDENTIFY YOURSELF AS A MEMBER OF THE GROUP AND SAY ON YOUR PERSONAL PAGE:

        OUR MISSION IS TO DEVELOP AND IMPLEMENT A ROBUST, COMPREHENSIVE, AND VIABLE SPACE COMMERCIALIZATION PROGRAM THAT UTILIZES REUSE AND COMMONALITY TO ACHIEVE AFFORDABLE AND PROFITABLE SPACEFLIGHT OPERATIONS
        You are wasting our time.  We have important issues to discuss.

        Get your story straight.

        YOU ARE A TROLL.

        Global Flooding, Frying and Wind Destruction = Climate Change! Call it like it is! Our Survival Instinct can and will conquer Greed.

        by SeaTurtle on Sun Sep 02, 2012 at 09:32:54 AM PDT

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      •  Not affiliated in any way? Really? (1+ / 0-)
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        Your username is "The NM STAR Group", same name as the business in question.

        Your profile statement says "OUR MISSION IS TO DEVELOP AND IMPLEMENT A ROBUST, COMPREHENSIVE, AND VIABLE SPACE COMMERCIALIZATION PROGRAM THAT UTILIZES REUSE AND COMMONALITY TO ACHIEVE AFFORDABLE AND PROFITABLE SPACEFLIGHT OPERATIONS"  

        "Our" mission? "Profitable" operations? And this is the same Mission Statement that is on your website. You sure you aren't affiliated with that business? The press releases and other documents on your website seem to indicate otherwise.

        This account was created six weeks ago. Since then you have posted every Sunday, regular like clockwork, always promoting NMSTARG, and always cross-posted on the business's website. On that website the same texts you posted here as diaries are presented as coming from the business.

        Yet you say you are "not affiliated with them in any way". Are you sure about that?

        There is nothing wrong with being affiliated with a for-profit business. But you need to disclose that. My objection is with hiding that fact and pretending to be an objective third party. If you are affiliated with a business the decent and ethical thing to do when posting a diary regarding a business is to disclose your relationship to that business.

    •  this is an advertisement and spam (1+ / 1-)
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      you identify yourself as "The NM Star GROUP" ferrcrissakes!

      You list on your Personal Page:

      OUR MISSION IS TO DEVELOP AND IMPLEMENT A ROBUST, COMPREHENSIVE, AND VIABLE SPACE COMMERCIALIZATION PROGRAM THAT UTILIZES REUSE AND COMMONALITY TO ACHIEVE AFFORDABLE AND PROFITABLE SPACEFLIGHT OPERATIONS
      What the F does that have to do with the purpose of our site?  

      I don't think it should be on DK as such and therefore, HR'd.  No matter what you say.  This 'advertisement' is put up for the profit and advancement of your product. You keep on mentioning that you need more money!

      Have you noticed we are in deep election mode here?  And you are shilling for bucks for your business?  Give me an effin break!  This diary has UTTERLY nothing to do with the advancement of the purpose of this site: electing more and better Democrats.  

      Busted.

      Why do we need to privatize a spaceport anyway?  What's wrong with NASA?

      Global Flooding, Frying and Wind Destruction = Climate Change! Call it like it is! Our Survival Instinct can and will conquer Greed.

      by SeaTurtle on Sun Sep 02, 2012 at 09:28:36 AM PDT

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      •  SeaTurtle: I see what you are saying. (0+ / 0-)

        I thought some other george's comment was about a financial stake in Spaceport America. I didn't understand that you were talking about a financial stake in NMSTARG.

        NMSTARG is a technical paper that I hope eventually morphs into a space business. So it does look like both of you are correct.

        I can see why a disclaimer was necessary. I appear to be pimping for money for NMSTARG, even though that was not my intention. I was hoping to get the information out there to an audience of like-minded individuals so that I could improve on the paper (which would then improve the business model. I think I get it). NMSTARG only exists as a website and as in idea; it is not a business, yet. The Group exists currently as a bunch of guys getting together to drink beer and talk about space. So I never made the connection as a business. But I can see now why people would see it that way. So the point is taken.

        I must apologize to the Daily Kos community. I really meant no disrespect. I would like to continue posting, and I would appreciate any suggestions going forward.

        Reuse and commonality are the keys to a robust and profitable space program.

        by The NM STAR Group on Sun Sep 02, 2012 at 10:30:56 AM PDT

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        •  Transparency is your friend (0+ / 0-)

          This at minimum: "Full Disclosure: I work for The NM STAR Group, a commercial space flight venture. ww.nmstarg.com" And feel free to expand on that. Perhaps you might post a diary about how you got into this business and what excites you about it.

          But you need to connect the dots. In order to preserve their credibility, real journalists bend over backwards to disclose anything that might possibly be perceived as a conflict of interest. In order to preserve your own credibility, you might consider doing the same.

          In addition, these essays seem to be cross-posted word for word from your business website, and your business website is clearly soliciting for investors. This creates the impression here that all you are doing at DKos is trolling for eyeballs for your business.

          Contributing your knowledge and expertise to the community here is perfectly fine, and welcome. But posting advertising for your business is something else entirely.

      •  Congratulations. (0+ / 0-)

        You've received my second HR ever.  This has to be the most dickish thing I've ever seen someone do on this site.

        To answer your question, this diary has nothing to do with NASA.  NASA is a launch services customer, most frequently of ULA (LM and Boeing).  A bigger question is what the hell problem do you have with expanding the space industry?

        In any case, remove your HR, I'll remove mine, and then we can get about the business of properly schooling you.

        •  Considering you have been on the site (0+ / 0-)

          BARELY THREE MONTHS, since May 6, 2012, you obviously do not have the experience or knowledge on this site to understand about what I was talking... I am supposed to take your HR and comment seriously? Have you even read the FAQ'S?  Have you read the diaries about HR'g?  Have you read all the material that has been going on this site re. Trolls and our most recent Troll/Sockpuppet?  Your comment betrays that you have not and do not know this history of the site.

          If this is your rejoinder to me:

          To answer your question, this diary has nothing to do with NASA.  NASA is a launch services customer, most frequently of ULA (LM and Boeing).  A bigger question is what the hell problem do you have with expanding the space industry?
          Then by the above comment, you have:
          1) not understood/read my comments w/re to the issues I was addressing
          2) not understood what has been going on with this site and Trolls.
          3) not even understood what 'someother george' has said.

          And my friend, to compound things, your ignorance is exceeded only by your arrogance:

          In any case, remove your HR, I'll remove mine, and then we can get about the business of properly schooling you.
          I read through your comment history and not surprisingly, you are treating other Kossacks with the same hostility, abrasion and ignorance.  And they don't accept it either and have told you so.  This is not a place to come and just dump a bad attitude and insult people as often as you have.  We work with civility, facts and respect.

          Go to Redstate with your rageful rants!

          I have nothing more to say to you, because you are not worth anymore of my time.  

          Global: Flooding, Frying and Wind Destruction = Climate Change! Call it like it is! Our Survival Instinct can and will conquer Greed.

          by SeaTurtle on Mon Sep 03, 2012 at 07:04:31 AM PDT

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          •  Nonsense. (0+ / 0-)

            Your only substantive point was addressed. You choose not to address it and instead choose to harp on sme meta crap in a diary about a spaceport project started by a Democratic governor and is in complete concert with the space policy if this Administration. You have chosen not to deal in civility, facts and respect; and in one of the most dickish displays I've seen thus far.

    •  It is not. (0+ / 0-)

      You're mistaking NM Star Group with Spaceport America.

      And considering this diary has been republished to Astro Kos and Sci Tech, you might consider that NM's been vetted well enough.

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