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  •  What this country needs is (3+ / 0-)
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    grover, jan4insight, HeyMikey

    a president as witty and wise as Lincoln. One as charismatic as FDR, JFK and Bill Clinton. A person that can explain complex ideas in, "terms, so simple, as to command their assent," ala Jefferson.
    Now, who do we know...

    Fuck Big Brother...from now on, WE'RE watching.

    by franklyn on Sun Aug 19, 2012 at 09:47:52 PM PDT

    •  Except racism means they don't bother listening (0+ / 0-)

      to him. That's why his words don't have much of an effect on him.

      Maybe we need to have a white person say the same thing and see if the right wingers listen to him.

      Actually, that may be Mitt Romney's intent. Say the same thing and get elected because it came out of a white person's mouth.

      -We need Healthcare Reform... but i'm selfish, I Need Healthcare reform-

      by JPax on Sun Aug 19, 2012 at 11:27:08 PM PDT

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    •  Rhetoric LEARNED. Aristotle, Cicero, Orwell, Obama (0+ / 0-)

      People can get better at rhetoric, like they can at a lot of other things, by study, practice, feedback, and more practice.

      The genius of Obama's 2008 campaign was that it hit all three of Aristotle's elements of persuasion: pathos (emotion, the strongest element), ethos (justice or morality), and logos (reason, the weakest element). The Democrats' political failures since then have been largely because their message has been all logos and no pathos or ethos. E.g., we argue about whether Obamacare will improve or worsen the deficit, instead of about whether it will provide security to millions of families, saving many lives and preventing untold suffering.

      Thus the Democrats have proven Orwell and Cicero right yet again:

      The energy that actually shapes the world springs from emotions—racial pride, leader-worship, religious belief, love of war—which liberal intellectuals mechanically write off as anachronisms, and which they have usually destroyed so completely in themselves as to have lost all power of action.…He [H.G. Wells] was, and still is, quite incapable of understanding that nationalism, religious bigotry and feudal loyalty are far more powerful forces than what he himself would describe as sanity.

      —George Orwell, “Wells, Hitler and the World State” (1941) http://orwell.ru/...

      If the truth were self-evident, there would be no need for eloquence.

      --Cicero

      "The true strength of our nation comes not from the might of our arms or the scale of our wealth, but from the enduring power of our ideals." - Barack Obama

      by HeyMikey on Mon Aug 20, 2012 at 10:50:39 AM PDT

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      •  And Molly Ivins, and Al Franken. (0+ / 0-)

        There was a recent diary noting the birth anniversary of the late, sorely missed Molly Ivins. As I noted on that diary, if John Kerry had hired Ivins and Al Franken to be his speechwriters, he'd now be wrapping up his second Presidential term.

        "The true strength of our nation comes not from the might of our arms or the scale of our wealth, but from the enduring power of our ideals." - Barack Obama

        by HeyMikey on Mon Aug 20, 2012 at 10:53:11 AM PDT

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