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  •  Or if you were Strom Thurmond, she was black (7+ / 0-)

    and employed in our household, so essentially my property.  It is the basic Jeffersonian argument.  Just ask the Hemmings family.

    And it feels like I'm livin'in the wasteland of the free ~ Iris DeMent, 1996

    by MrJersey on Mon Aug 20, 2012 at 10:31:39 AM PDT

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    •  Sadly true. (2+ / 0-)
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      Women contribute so much to this society, we deserve better than this bullshit.

    •  I think it is worth noting that Sally Hemmings was (1+ / 0-)
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      Jefferson's previous wife's half-sister, and that he was legally prohibited from marrying her, which I assume he wanted to do. She was legally free at one point when they were both in France, and chose to return to Monticello with him.

      None of which grants Jefferson a free pass. Although he railed against slavery in the Declaration of Independence, and described the slave South as having

      a wolf by the ear, and we can neither hold him, nor safely let him go. Justice is in one scale, and self-preservation in the other.
      he was vicious against Haiti, and insisted on introducing slavery into the Louisiana territory, thus creating that Down the River which all slaves to the North dreaded.

      Hey, Mitt! Thanks for ObamneyCare. http://www.healthcare.gov

      by Mokurai on Mon Aug 20, 2012 at 11:03:20 AM PDT

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      •  Methinks it is somewhat disinguious to suggest (0+ / 0-)

        that Jefferson did not marry Sally Hemmings because she was his father in law's daughter with with his slave concubine.  I would venture that a marriage between someone of Jefferson's social standing and someone who was one of his slaves would be unthinkable in his contemporary Virginia society.  

        Given that the sexual encounters are reported to have started in Paris during 1787 when Jefferson was minister to France, it would have made Jefferson aged 43 having a sexual encounter with a 14 year old slave.  Even by the standards of American colonial society, 14 was relatively young according to David Hackett Fisher in "Albion's Seed" and the myth of the young teen bride was mostly attributed to the most back country of settlements.  

        Whatever it was, it was definitely not an equal match and while it is not usually a good idea to judge historical figures by contemporary standards, this domestic arrangement was a blot on Jefferson's character.

        And it feels like I'm livin'in the wasteland of the free ~ Iris DeMent, 1996

        by MrJersey on Mon Aug 20, 2012 at 01:46:22 PM PDT

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