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  •  Respecting democracy (2+ / 0-)
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    Cedwyn, Catte Nappe

    The good Senator from the show me state does a great job of representing the values of Missouri Democrats.

    Now perhaps you don't share those values, to which I have one thing to say.  STOP BEING A FASCIST, you fascist!!!

    We have state by state elections for the purpose of adding cultural diversity to our democracy.

    Right now moderate conservatives are being deprived their representation, because of a national extreme ideological push within the Republican Party.

    Now you might not give two shits about moderate conservatives, but I do.  They are Americans and deserve to have their voices heard.  That is where Senator McCaskill comes in.

    In Missouri there aren't enough liberal Democrats to elect any candidate for statewide elections.  There also aren't enough centrists to carry the day.  Like it or not,  a Democrat needs to be able to reach past the center, if they are to hold office in most of the midwest.

    Do you want to win, or do you want to be self righteous?  You can't have both.

    •  that second statement (fascists) was (1+ / 0-)
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      Dr Teeth

      some kind of joke, right?
      it  ahh, kind of doesn't jive  with the rest of your well thought out comments, and the context is hard to figure, so,
      that was ..some kind of exaggeration for illustration purposes? orrrr something?????

      we face the same situation here in AZ. it is always a tough tug of need the moderate conservatives, and/or independents in districts like mine, and in many cases the  Dem base varies from locale to locale. A Benson AZ dem is not necessarily the same as a Tucson AZ Dem, but at the end of the day, I believe we do agree on almost everything, we just don't always get everything we want in every candidate... in any candidate really. that is reality...
      truth be told, if you look at your personal relationships and work relationships, how many times does another person fit your idea of perfection? hardly ever. and if we look at ourselves, oops! same problem, inconsistent in some areas, definite flaws in others.

      Missouri, I would love to see you turn blue, and I know you have a lot of work to do.  now that I know more about Todd Akin, well I would be ashamed to send him to the senate and would do everything in my power to legally prevent him from doing so. McCaskill has been given a small boon here, lets see if she and other Missouri Dem candidates assert some Democratic vigor,  and form a winning coalition  to win the election.

      •  My district is safely blue, but next door is red (1+ / 0-)
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        Dr Teeth

        This is true everywhere. On the nice California coast, our congressional district is safely blue and Lois Capps is a dependable progressive. (Though, to be fair, I have several friends who refuse to support her because she's not idealistically progressive enough. Sigh.)

        The district surrounding us is solidly red. We hope to find a way to turn this around this election, but when we do manage to elect a Democrat in that district, she/he is likely to be a lot less progressive than our congressional rep.

        That's the way it goes: the elected official must, by the rules of the democratic process, represent their local district or their state. To demand otherwise is just spitting into the wind.

    •  Here in WV we have the same issue. (1+ / 0-)
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      Dr Teeth

      Joe Manchin isn't even a moderate Democrat, but he is a Democrat. The alternative, Raese, is nuts.

      I will vote for Manchin because he and agree on some issues, while Raese and I agree on none. Harry Reid will lose some votes because Manchin will be unreliable, but he would lose them all if Raese was there.

      I fight for ideological purity in the primary. In the general I suck it up and vote for my party.

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