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  •  Add me to the "offended" club (12+ / 0-)

    The whole point of "Judeo-Christian" is to perpetrate the fraud that Christianity is the "fulfillment" of Judaism, which it claims to have rendered obsolete.  It means "Christian, because we took over God from the Jews".

    And that's why the religious right can spout such ridiculous things in the name of the "Bible".  The Christian Bible is not the Jewish one plus the NT.  The "Old Testament" is for all intents and purposes a Christian document plagiarized from the text of the Tanach, but interpreted in such a bizarre manner, bereft of the accompanying Talmudic tradition, as to be very different.

    Judaism is, conceptually, much closer to Islam than to Christianity.  Islam treats Issa (Jesus) as another prophet but not as a diety.  Islam, like Judaism, is about behavior, law, not faith and "salvation".  Islam however is more like Christianity than like Judaism in that they're both triumphal, and thus believe that everyone else is wrong.  Judaism does not do that; it is purely a national religion not aimed at others.

    •  I hear in your comment much more anger (3+ / 0-)
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      toward Christians than offense. It shows absolutely no respect for Christianity--which is your right--but in so doing, cheapens the other religions you speak of.

      Some of the things you say are true, though many modern thinking Christians are embarrassed about the supercessionist (look it up) overtones of some church doctrine and the supercessionism of many Evangelicals today. It is not necessary to hold this view to practice Christianity. As for the view of the Tanak, of course our view is "bizarre" is you are Jewish. In fact one of my Jewish friends and I have talked about this often, as she is a convert to Judaism from Christianity and has first hand experience with interpretation of scripture from both perspectives. Christians who are seriously in search of finding joy and meaning in scripture (like me) behoove themselves to study what we call the "Old Testament" not only from a Christian perspective but also from a Jewish perspective. When I began reading the Old Testament more like a Jew, was when it began to enlighten beyond its traditional Christian role as prophesy.

      Some of my Christian brothers and sisters are behaving very badly. I may be their keeper (which is why I, too, am a Democrat) but I am not their Pope. I cannot stop them from being hateful. I can, however, live my religion which teaches peace, social justice, love, the radical inclusion of everyone (especially the outcast and downtrodden).

      I know what Mitt Romney is hiding: Mitt Romney.

      by commonmass on Wed Aug 22, 2012 at 04:24:16 AM PDT

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      •  You infer a lot (3+ / 0-)
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        I did not express disrespect for Christianity in note, merely my disrespect for supercessionism. The term "Judeo-Christian" is per se supercessionist.  That's its point.  Judaism predates Christianity and wants exactly nothing from it, except perhaps to be left alone, which history tells us is a rarity. Until the 20th century, Jews usually got along better in Muslim societies.  Look what happened to Spain in 1492, for instance.

        You are of course welcome to read both the Old Testament and the Tanach as you see fit.  If you read the Tanach with Jewish commentary, you may learn a lot (like how Jews view it), but we're not out to convert you.

    •  Thank you for spelling out the problems with (0+ / 0-)

      the hyphenated made up word and the ways it has been used to imply a "merging" of ideas when it was nothing of the sort.

      •  A Jewish Person Once Told Me (2+ / 0-)
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        That Jesus was a guy who just happened to have revolutionary ideas about how people should behave.

        She went on to tell me that Jesus was extolling Jewish religious & cultural values - all of which could be found in the teachings of Jewish religious doctrine.

        I was young at the time and instead of being offended, I decided to have an open mind and listen.  

        I was raised Catholic, and a big part of that was study of the New Testament and the message of Jesus.  Inherent to that - beautifully described in Luke 10:25-37 - also in Matthew 7:9 and Luke 6:27 - is the love and tolerance of others.  I had good Sunday School teachers, the nuns, and I listened.  The values taught to me there reinforced the examples that were set by my parents as I grew up.  These values are what makes me identify with progressive/liberal values.

        I think the details of the metaphysical are less important than the philosophy and it's message.  Conservatives sometimes like to throw around the "What Would Jesus Do?" question and overlook the obvious answer "Trying to be the best Jewish person he could be."  Christian values are Jewish values and people create a distinction when there really isn't one.

        So yes, very much indeed, Jesus was a person, based on his Jewish spirituality, who just happened to have a revolutionary idea about how people should behave.  And 2000 years later, this idea continues to be revolutionary for both Jews and Christians, who often forget the main tenets of their shared religious philosophy.

        Often the most religious orthodox seem to pay closer attention to formal traditions and forget the true beauty of the pure altruism of "Judeo-Christian" spiritual philosophy.  Too often, at least from my view, it seems that people often use religion as a means of differentiation, or worse, a business networking qualifier, turning it into an economic-based club.  I think it's pretty obvious that both Christians and Jews do this, and in turn transform something that is supposed to be purely altruistic into a vehicle of self-interest.  Going to Church or Synagogue should never be about furthering one's interests, but be about learning to temper one's own propensity for selfishness with the altrustic teachings of faith.  

        I personally vote for what I believe represents right over wrong.  The republican party's philosophy is not a Jewish and/or Christian philosophy.  It just isn't.  It is a Nietzchean-Randian philosophy that preaches self-worship.  As a person who believes in the philosophy shared by Christians and Jews, I cannot support that.  The fact that macro-economically, caring for those less fortunate seems to have the most positive affect on society, to me, is a coincidental non-coincidence - and icing on the cake.  All the "Socially-Conservative", "Sanctity of Life" planks of the republican platform seem pretty disengenuous to me - as they appear to be intended to get people to vote against their economic interest.  

        I'm no expert on Jewish religious writings, but I'm pretty sure Rabbi Hillel never intended for Jews to believe that it is more important for the wealthy to retain more of their earnings so that the poor and the middle class can languish in sickness and in poverty.

        Also, saying Jesus was a Jew preaching Jewish religious doctrine isn't a method to assimilate Jewish people into Christian traditions.  Besides being a fact, for me its more a reminder for Christians to be more tolerant and respectful to Jewish people and remind them of the common ideas they share.

        Are there no prisons? No workhouses?

        by meatballs on Wed Aug 22, 2012 at 07:29:37 AM PDT

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