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  •  Exactly (2+ / 0-)
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    cwsmoke, wyvern

    The point I want to bring home is that you can "stick it to the man" by working for viable third parties, activism, etc. AND do your small part and cast a ballot. Its not an either-or thing. Go start a Green party chapter and try to get some Greens in local office, but still get your ass into the big polls and vote against the worst candidate (Romney.)

    I'm so sick and tired of these fanatical Christians and rednecks trying to disrupt MY life with their BS that I went looking for ways to volunteer for Obama's campaign. I reached a tipping point, and now I'm here to stay. If you can figure out a way to get these other people to their tipping points as well, then that would be a first step to getting them to care enough to at least cast a vote.

    •  I think a... (2+ / 0-)
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      cwsmoke, Larsstephens

      ..tipping point was reach in a generational sense with Occupy Wall Street.

      But that leads back to the hipster mentality that embraces not voting as an act of social rebellion.

      Think if OWS has been a parallel voting drive movement, & the kids signing up to vote were determined to effect change via becoming left wing political activists, or Greens (anything but Republicans).

      Not only would Romney be doomed, but the whole conservative movement would be doomed.

      Rob not the poor, because he is poor: neither oppress the afflicted in the gate. ~ Proverbs 22:22

      by wyvern on Wed Aug 22, 2012 at 11:26:48 AM PDT

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      •  I personally think that Romney IS doomed (3+ / 0-)
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        because of his unfavorability numbers. In the long term the conservative movement is also doomed, mostly due to demographics and stupidity (the movie, "Idiocracy," notwithstanding).

        The Occupy movement which I support was handled quickly and tactically by an overaggressive police presence to keep it from openly spreading more, but the ideas are out there now, and it is difficult, if not impossible to put the genii back in the bottle...

        Time is the best teacher. Unfortunately it kills all its students. - Berlioz

        by cwsmoke on Wed Aug 22, 2012 at 11:39:33 AM PDT

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        •  Yeah (1+ / 0-)
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          I support OWS.

          The last major pushes of that movement were more reactionary than anything. They were forced to defend their camps and such thanks to an overbearing police force that made all of the decent cops on the streets look like the enemy. I was disgusted with the countless videos of police shooting and pepper spraying these OWS activists.

          I still wish they didn't spend so long trying to re-occupy the camps and transform into a political movement. They could easily revitalize the Greens, or be a Tea Party (minus the Koch sucking) type pressure on Dems to shift left. Heck, if they wanted to really create the change they wanted, they could create a third party to split the Republican vote, get Dems in by a wide margin, and THEN for the coalitions/pressure to get money out of this political system. There are still options to fix this mess that we are in, but everyone has to get on the right page and play it smart from here on out. Simply protesting or camping isn't doing it anymore. The camping got the world's attention. Now OWS needs to do something with it.

          IDK if Conservatives are "doomed." It may be location bias, but NC is still filled with hardline Christians and rednecks. There is still a church on every corner in this town. The main drag in my town was still clogged for nearly a mile with the line for Chick-Fil-A drive-thru on August 1st. My state is still willing to take away civil rights by a double digit margin. To top it off, these people are really stupid, so they fall for slogans but can't understand simple charts and figures that prove said slogans wrong :(

          I need to get out of here! Thankfully there are a few people around (and you guys!) to keep me sane.

        •  Support the occupy movement? (0+ / 0-)
          The Occupy movement which I support was handled quickly and tactically by an overaggressive police presence to keep it from openly spreading more, but the ideas are out there now, and it is difficult, if not impossible to put the genii back in the bottle...
          I must have missed the  Obit, but I damn sure it's dead. Too Hot, Too Cold, Police Aggression, disorganized, listless support as the "movement " lost more and more support as the non-organizers organized the movement to be not organized so no one could be co-opted and no leaders could targeted.

          I wonder what Gandhi would have said to that approach?

          So tell me, how do you support a movement that has moved on?  

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