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  •  I don't believe it. The American electorate will (1+ / 0-)
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    swallow damned near ANYTHING if it is presented to them at just the right time, in just the right way.

    Swiftboating is the just the kind of acid that will convince a certain small % of voters to just stay home, and the GOP knows it.

    •  "Certain small percentage" (1+ / 0-)
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      Sure, it will influence a few
      Sounds like we are saying the same things. Of the people this will influence, 98.537% of them would never vote for Mr Obama under any circumstances, I reckon.
      •  That's not at all what I'm saying (1+ / 0-)
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        I'm talking about ditherers and fainthearts who, to my enormous frustration, perceive the candidates and parties as exactly the same -- meanies, Debbie Downers who can't be nice and can't agree on important stuff and can't work together and why can't they just get along and make some decisions, darnit??? I know people who self-identify in this category and claim that, in response to being "turned off by negative campaigning," they lose all interest in voting. If anything, most of the handful I know would be more likely to vote for Obama because Romney is such an obvious lying drip. Well, y'know, unless gas prices get too high, because maybe Romney would make gas prices go down (an otherwise intelligent and well-educated coworker actually said that to me, ffs!).

        In a year in which GOTV will be everything, I worry about these emotionalistic voters. Studies attempting to determine if negative campaigning depresses turnout still have not produced a clear-cut yes or no answer, but I've heard the "to hell with it, it's all ugly and nothing gets done anyway, so I'm just staying home" bit from the actual lips of actual people.

        Ah well, nothing to be done for it...

        •  American voter apathy is no secret (0+ / 0-)

          Far be it for me to argue against it.

          Do I think this Swiftboater II message will make much difference one way or the other? No I do not. Not yhis year, because historically speaking the proportion of undecideds is low. This year most people have already made up their minds. The Swiftboater II message is so detached from reality it will sound sane only to racial bigots or those fools who think registering Republican somehow make one a military genius.

          You have a different read. That's cool.

          •  My read has nothing to do with the sanity of it (1+ / 0-)
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            only with the fact that it introduces static to which are attached negative emotions and the ingrams of argument. That emotional static, not its (il)logic content, is what affects the folks I'm talking about.

            But, again, nothing can be done about it except hope that at least one other issue like Medicare, SS, tax cuts for rich folks, and "legitimate rape" keep their asses just a bit too chafed to sit the election out.

            Peace out.

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