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  •  How does that work around Swedish law... (1+ / 0-)
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    banning handing over someone who could face abuse, the death penalty, or be tried for political crimes?  How does it work around the European Arrest Warrant's stipulation banning reextradition without consent of the originating state?  How does that block appeal attempts to the ECHR?

    •  Every time a European country extradites (9+ / 0-)

      somebody to the U.S., they ignore the possibility of his facing abuse, which is endemic in U.S. prisons.

      Political?  Give it another name.  Say he's being sought for conspiracy, and choose to regard that as a nonpolitical crime.

      Death penalty?  U.S. can waive it.  Which the U.S. does all the time it wants somebody extradited from Europe for a crime that is subject to the death penalty.

      The influence of the [executive] has increased, is increasing, and ought to be diminished.

      by lysias on Wed Aug 22, 2012 at 02:33:00 PM PDT

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      •  "Give it a different name"? (1+ / 0-)
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        Charges don't have "names".  They're allegations of broken laws.  The courts evaluate whether said laws and accusations of breaking said laws are of political nature.  

        If the US waives the death penalty and gives guarantees of the conditions he'll be held in, then there is no moral argument against deportation except that of political charges.

        somebody to the U.S., they ignore the possibility of his facing abuse, which is endemic in U.S. prisons.
        Whoa, wait a minute there: the logical conclusion of your argument is that nobody should go to prison in the US.  Do you really want to go there?
        •  Is your argument that we should not care if (0+ / 0-)

          Assange is repeatedly raped?

          Do you really want to go there?

          All Cretans are sockpuppets. -- Epimenides the Cretan

          by JesseCW on Wed Aug 22, 2012 at 04:59:41 PM PDT

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          •  Your assumption (0+ / 0-)

            Assumes you have already found Assange guilty in the USA of an unspecified crime following extradition from Sweden which has not yet been requested by the US Government.

            This is despite protestations by many that his removal to Sweden implies that he has already been found guilty of rape.

            Yet other objections to a possible deportation are that he would be held uder the same conditions as Bradley Manning and that extradition should be refused on the grouds that would breach his Article 3 rights. My understanding is that Manning is in virtually complete isolation. How would this allow him to be raped?

            Your only premise appears to be that the conditions in Federal prisons amount to cruel and unusual punishment for all inmates, Surely that should be a matter for the domestic US courts system and political action there?

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            by Lib Dem FoP on Wed Aug 22, 2012 at 08:03:23 PM PDT

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            •  Manning has been repeatedly stripped naked (1+ / 0-)
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              and paraded in front of other inmates.

              That is to say, he's been threatened with rape repeatedly in an effort to break him down.

              The conditions in our Federal Prisons do amount to cruel and unusual punishment for all inmates.  Subjecting anyone to them constitutes subjecting them to torture.

              That should be an issue for any nation with the slightest concern for human rights when it comes to extraditing anyone to the US.

              That being said, Political Prisoners are routinely subjected to extraordinarily harsh treatment in our prisons.  Google "Leonard Peltier" if you want a few examples.

              In Sweden, the Government decides whether or not to extradite.  Then the accused gets to appeal to the courts.  If the the Government signs a binding agreement with Ecuador that there will be no extradition, the issue is settled.

              All Cretans are sockpuppets. -- Epimenides the Cretan

              by JesseCW on Thu Aug 23, 2012 at 06:22:44 AM PDT

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          •  Please read for comprehension: (0+ / 0-)

            Your Argument Applies To All Prisoners In The US

            If you are actually wanting to make that argument, then you're arguing that Nobody Should Go To Jail In The US, Ever.  And furthermore, that everyone currently in a US prison should get let out.

        •  If there was any doubt as to whether or not (1+ / 0-)
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          you're a lawyer, it's just been resolved.  Of course charges have names.  In order for a charge to be made, there has to be specific laws that are broken.  Those laws have names.  Every charge carries a name.

          What you are probably referring to are allegations - the facts that allegedly support the charge.

          "If you trust you are not critical; if you are critical you do not trust" by our own Dauphin

          by gustynpip on Wed Aug 22, 2012 at 05:06:21 PM PDT

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          •  Broken criminal statutes don't have (0+ / 0-)

            They have reference numbers, like 21 U.S.C. 355 (j).  The notion of "give it a different name" as a workaround is absurd.

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