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  •  there are a number of good lines of argument.... (0+ / 0-)

    ... to have legal abortion in a society, usually based on rational, good public policy and a weighing of interests of all parties involved.

    Yours, on the other hand, seems to be that you can basically kill any child that is unduly burdening you, without further qualification.  No sane society can work that way.

    Try having a late term abortion in most European countries, based on the claim that you couldn't make up your mind earlier or some such. They will feel perfectly fine to force to to carry to term, and have the support of most local feminists.

    Get used to it. You own your womb just as little as I own my fist holding a gun. None of us is alone in the world, and rights and responsibilities are defined in the context of rights and responsibilities of our fellow citizens.

    •  It is my right to end a pregnancy (5+ / 0-)

      when I want. Period. That does not mean that I get to kill or insist on the killing of a viable fetus/baby/pre-born-person/whatever-you-want-to-call-it after the abortion. Just as the government is to help me secure my rights to political speech, free association, due process, voting, and equal protection, I expect the government to help me secure my right not to be used as an incubator against my will.

      Just as I should not have to beg, borrow, or bargain for such as voting rights or due process rights, neither should I have to beg, borrow, or bargain for my right to control the use of my body by another being.

      Just as due process rights apply equally to the innocent and the guilty, just as the worst fool has the same one vote as the most brilliant genius, my right to control the use of my body inheres whether I am careless or well-considered, mindful or not.

      You may force me to cede that right, and you may argue that you are fully entitled to force me to cede that right. But none of the practicalities of running a country, or a world, alter my right, and I consider it my duty to make as few concessions as I possibly can with regard to this and all other rights.

    •  WHAT??????????????? (5+ / 0-)

      A fist with a gun is equal to a uterus and a life altering experience that has absolutely no value to a person not wanting to risk thier health or thier life (even if that is minute) or likely thier job that they live on at the demand of another. So a fetus is a citizen and can choose to use you but women are tools for others to decide when and how they are used.  I agree that late term abortions should be induced labor to produce a infant that may be viable... But your get used to it is what my pedophile stepfather told me at 5... No one takes away my right to say NO to having my body used against my will and what I see as my best choices.

      Outlaw sex, outlaw incest, out law rape ... that is the gun in the fist of force. Discredit the loopy idea that women just want it and are afraid to ask so they have to be forced. .

      How can you tell when Rmoney is lying? His lips are moving. Fear is the Mind Killer

      by boophus on Wed Aug 22, 2012 at 09:37:59 PM PDT

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