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  •  Whargarbl (1+ / 0-)
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    erush1345

    The fetus or baby is tied to the mother. Their rights (such as any exist, or don't) are in direct opposition.

    My kidney and your life have no such link.

    Your analogy is utterly ridiculous. If some compatible donor doesn't give you a kidney, you die.  If the one womb carrying that fetus forces it out it does.

    One donor among many - one womb among one.

    Not. The. Same.

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    •  Forced pregnancy requires women (2+ / 0-)
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      to "donate" an organ to sustain the life of another.

      I find that quite similar to compelled kidney donation.

      Actually.  Quite.  The.  Same.

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      by martydd on Thu Aug 23, 2012 at 08:20:19 AM PDT

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      •  Donate an organ? (0+ / 0-)

        I donate a kidney, I have one less kidney.

        I donate a second kidney, I'm dead.

        You have a baby.  Tell me what body part you are missing that you had before pregnancy?

        Tell me if a woman can have three, four, six, eight babies.

        Not. The. Same.

        Tell me, if I force you to give me your house, a year from now, do you have a house?

        Now tell me, if I force you to rent me your house for nine months, a year from now do you have a house?

        Not. The. Same.

        •  They are every bit the same, but for one thing: (0+ / 0-)

          You believe pregnancy is a valid rubric under which to allow one person to commandeer the body of another.

          I do not.

          You also believe a woman's body is sorta like a house, and a baby is sorta like a renter. Jesus H. Christ. You have not the slightest clue about the physiology, psychology, short- and long-term risks, and lasting effects of pregnancy and childbirth, nonetheless, you feel perfectly entitled to dictate how women should and should not use our bodies. Outgoddamnedrageous.

          •  Are you really this dim? (0+ / 0-)

            Do you not grasp how analogies work?  Do you think a woman's womb is the same as a man's kidney?  

            Of course you don't.  Someone drew an analogy.  I drew another one.  For the purposes of analogy, a baby is like a renter - there temporarily in the womb.

            If you would get past your poutrage, I am not saying I or anyone else is entitled to dictate to women how they should and should not use their bodies. You're just flat out lying.  I'm not and never have advocated banning all abortions, or any form of birth control.

            I am saying that some regulation of third-trimester abortions makes sense. Maybe you think that is outgoddamnedrageous, I don't know.

            But please don't lie and oversimplify, it makes it impossible to have an adult conversation.

    •  Lemme see here... (0+ / 0-)

      If I read you correctly, you get to decide how my body is used based on your arbitrary and whimsical philosophical constructions, because you believe to your very bones that your arbitrary and whimsical philosophical constructions are Correct.

      And that makes all the difference in the world, doesn't it?Yes, it does!

      Gosh, whatever would we girls do without you to take care of our really hard thinking and choosing? Thank you thank you thank you!!!

      •  No, you do not see (0+ / 0-)

        The philosophical construction I am resorting to is that when a fetus becomes viable, it is a person.  That your rights should be maximized, and so should everyone else's, and curtailing one person's rights must happen when they conflict with another person's.

        That is not whimsical, its rooted in common law precedent going back 800+ years, as well as Roe v Wade.

        That's why I am opposed to any restriction on abortion in the first two trimesters, and allowing abortion in some situations in the third trimester (basically if a doctor deems it medically neccessary).  

        I also think people who ride motorcycles (and I'm one of them) should be required to wear helmets.  ZOMG, I'm dictating how people use their bodies!

        And since I know you don't grasp how analogies work, I'm not calling an abortion the same as a helmet, etc.

        Let me ask you a question.  If a woman was just days away from her due date, and decided she didn't want to have a baby, would you let her get an abortion? If not, you're controlling her body just as much as me.  If so, you're killing a baby.

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