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  •  STOP! (13+ / 0-)

    Abortion is legal and should remain legal. All this rape talk is just pushing the window father right.

    Rape is not the criteria at which I am comfortable drawing the line. Fetuses have more rights than women, which makes women less than whole citizens.

    The 'conservatives' are not willing to support an environment wherein it is sustainable to force unwanted births, yet they keep at it. 25% of children live at or below poverty. But conservatives want more children and want to provide less in favor of the 1%.


    Ratify the ERA.

    •  I agree with you 100% but (9+ / 0-)

      at this time in our country, rape (and the health of the mother) IS the line that almost 100% of all people agree upon.  The rightwingers are exposing just how fringy their thinking is when they cross this line that (until now) no one in our country would even dream of crossing.

      Given that we are going to need an over vote in this election to even have a hope of overcoming their voter suppression tactics, unfortunately I think we need to make common cause with the folks who would outlaw everything up to rape.

      You are right, though.  It's not enough.  "My body, my choice and nobody else's business" is what it should be.  But for now, we can hope that this is where we STOP this pendulum and then we can start work to push it back the other direction.          

      Metaphors be with you.

      by koosah on Fri Aug 24, 2012 at 06:57:55 AM PDT

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    •  "All this rape talk" is the only (3+ / 0-)
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      thing that at least some conservatives are willing to listen to when it comes to abortion rights.
      Yes, in an ideal world we would not have to make these distinctions.  Wake me up when we live in that world.

    •  No, discussing the issue of rape is not (4+ / 0-)

      moving the window.  Instead, it's showing the general public just how far out of the mainstream of opinion the Republican party is.  If we want to protect women's right to choose, we have to make certain these slimeballs don't get into the positions of power that will enable them to erode women's rights even further.  The only way to do that is to shine a light on their caveman attitudes towards women.  

      Doing that doesn't mean we don't quit fighting the other restrictions.  It's just that we've been handed this golden opportunity to show America these peoples' real opinions and ideas, and we Can't let it pass.  We have to grab it.

      "If you trust you are not critical; if you are critical you do not trust" by our own Dauphin

      by gustynpip on Fri Aug 24, 2012 at 07:42:43 AM PDT

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    •  Rape is not the deciding factor... (0+ / 0-)

      in judging the legality of abortion. That is the point. There are two intellectually consistent positions on this. Either you think abortion should be legal regardless of the "method of conception" or you thing it should be illegal regardless of the "method of conception".

      The exceptions for rape and incest in many GOP talking points is the Achilles heel in their argument. If they really believe, as Ryan appears to, that the value of the embryo is independent of the "method of conception" then they should be consistent in making the laws regarding the issue. Ryan did this for a while. But now that he is trying to run for higher office he has to hedge his consistent approach because he knows what he really believes is a political loser.

      In other words, he considers winning higher office to be more important then defending the life of an embryo conceived through rape.

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