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  •  I wish this line of thinking about (1+ / 0-)
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    JG in MD

    Romney's tax issues would go away.  You could be 100% right and it would still be a losing argument.  But I think your argument is not well informed about Mormon culture.  It is not Ann's responsibility in her well-defined role as Mormon wife/help meet to decide how much to tithe; it is Mitt's responsibility as her priesthood holder and patriarch of her home.

    There is no gray area for Mormon women as to the role they are supposed to play in the eternal progression of their families.  Her role is to bless and sustain the lives of her priesthood holders, whether it's her father, husband or son.  The church does what it can to make it seem innocuous.  It is anything but.

    Here is an example of a lesson for young Mormon women from

    A Young Woman Should Be Supportive in Her Relationship to a Priesthood Bearer
    Thought question

    • What is your personal attitude toward those priesthood bearers with whom you work and associate? Do you support them? Why or why not?

    Wordstrips and discussion

    Show the following wordstrips one at a time. Ask the young women to decide if the wordstrip indicates a supportive or a nonsupportive action. Place the wordstrip on the chalkboard under the correct category.

    Completed chalkboard illustration





     • What is the main difference between the words in these two columns? (One column represents positive action; the other represents negative, unproductive, and possibly destructive action.)

    Thought question

    • Which of these words describes your personal attitude toward those priesthood bearers with whom you associate?

    Now for the example of how a woman supports her men:
    Case studies and discussion

    Case Study 2

    Jennie was very excited as she and her girlfriends talked about their big plans for Friday night. For days they had been planning a special dinner at Julie’s house to celebrate the end of the school year. Jennie’s father, who was the branch president, and her brother David, who had just been ordained a priest, also had some exciting plans for Friday night. In their somewhat isolated branch in Kenai, Alaska, it wasn’t often that they had the opportunity to have a visit from a General Authority. That Friday they had planned to drive to Anchorage, a distance of about 150 miles, to attend a stake fathers’ and sons’ outing and priesthood conference with one of the General Authorities. Jennie’s father was especially anxious because as a new priesthood leader there were many questions he wanted to ask.

    On Friday, Jennie got out of school at noon and hurried home. When she arrived, she found her father and David looking very disappointed. Jennie’s mother had caught the flu and was too sick to care for Jennie’s little brother and sister. It looked as if Jennie’s father and brother would not be able to attend the conference.

    Ask the young women to put themselves in Jennie’s place and to finish the story. Ask them to consider what blessings Jennie might be bringing to her family, her branch, and herself if she decided to stay home from her party to help her mother. These blessings might include the spirit of sacrifice she would experience and the inspiration and guidance her father would receive to help him fulfill his new priesthood calling.

    Use any of the following questions to stimulate more discussion:

    • If Jennie stayed home, how would she be helping her father?

    • What difference would it make if she made this sacrifice willingly and cheerfully instead of begrudgingly?

    • What effect might her example have on the smaller children in the family?

    Chalkboard discussion

    What can you do as a young woman to actively support a young man who holds the priesthood? List the young women’s ideas on the chalkboard. Some of the following might be included:

    1. Concentrate on his good points.

    2. Supply ideas.

    3. Treat him as you want him to become.

    4. Have a listening ear.

    5. Be honest in your praise.

    6. Support him in projects and callings.

    7. Be a counselor, when asked.

    8. Do what is delegated to you.

    9. Sustain him with your prayers.

    So, to recap, a woman's role is to support her men, and do it happily.  No wonder so many Mormon women are depressed.

    Let the young women know of your feelings and your gratitude for your relationship with those who hold the priesthood. Help them see that each of them can actively bless the lives of priesthood holders. When they do this, they will receive the blessings of the priesthood and have greater abilities to fulfill their own responsibilities.

    See how masterfully, and seemingly innocuously,  they instill in young women that their place in the plan of salvation is as a support to their righteous priesthood holder.

    Sorry for the long post, but I wanted to give you an example from the horse's mouth so-to-speak.  Go to the link and look around.  It's interesting.

    •  it might be ok for mormons (0+ / 0-)

      but his lying to ann would ruin his rep with many others

      by chloris creator on Sun Aug 26, 2012 at 11:47:13 AM PDT

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    •  While the Mormon Priesthood would like to (0+ / 0-)

      keep the women in their perceived "proper place", feminism has made some inroads.

      In 1990 the Mormon Temple Ritual was expanded from having the women covenant to "follow their husband" to "follow their husband as he follows the Lord".

      It seems that many good sisters had not so good husbands and felt they were being put in a untentable position. Apparently, God agreed and changed his holy ordinance.

      Keep the law out of women's lady parts!

      by Templar on Sun Aug 26, 2012 at 03:37:07 PM PDT

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      •  The actual wording is as follows: (0+ / 0-)


        You and each of you solemnly covenant and promise before God, angels, and these witnesses at this altar that you will each observe and keep the law of your husband and abide by his counsel in righteousness.
        1990 change:
        You and each of you solemnly covenant and promise before God, angels, and these witnesses at this altar that you will each observe and keep the law of the Lord, and hearken to the counsel of your husband as he hearkens to the counsel of the Father.

        Keep the law out of women's lady parts!

        by Templar on Sun Aug 26, 2012 at 03:54:13 PM PDT

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        •  I must have blocked it all out. (1+ / 0-)
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          It's a wonder I didn't run screaming from the alter at the words "keep the law of your husband".  It all seems like someone else's self-righteous life, not part of mine.  I thank my lucky stars every day that I am not involved in organized religion. Thanks (I think) for the reminder.

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