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  •  Bush did not campaign on ending Social Security (2+ / 0-)
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    mightymouse, FG

    The 2004 campaign was dominated by the Iraq war. But as soon as he was re-elected in 2004, Bush claimed he "had a mandate" to privatize social security. That came right out of the blue.

    What I am getting at is politicians campaign on the issues that get the most attention from the voters. This year the conversation has gravitated to economic issues. That does not mean the candidates do not differ on the other issues. It means both are trying to get elected. Both are responding to the issues that influence the most voters.

    But once in office every President returns to their own agenda. The task before us here is not to insist the climate becomes a campaign issue. Only the voters en masse can do that. Our task is to ensure climate change is high on President Obama's 2nd term agenda. the task before us is to deliver to Mr Obama a Democratic Congress.

    •  what is Obama's agenda? (2+ / 0-)
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      TJ, Quicklund

      how do we know what he's committed to? is it all of the above energy? is it selling government coal to China? is it "clean coal"? (whatever that is). Is it "Environmentally safe fracking"? (ditto).

      I guess I have no confidence that he's committed to addressing climate at the scale necessary.

      Also, you compare climate and privatizing social security. I say these are two very different types of issue. Dealing with climate is like a good war. You need the people to understand why they have to sacrifice, or change. And they will, if the need is clear.

      That's not privatizing SS. So I would argue that your equivalence is not relevant.

      An ambulance can only go so fast - Neil Young

      by mightymouse on Sat Aug 25, 2012 at 11:32:41 AM PDT

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      •  Of course they are different issues (1+ / 0-)
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        mightymouse

        No one will say Democrats addressing climate change is out of the blue.

        The point is, elections are about winning election. The topics that come up are not automatically the topics that become most important after election day.

        Push Mr Obama to the limit to do something about it. That is what needs doing. All I am saying is, there is no need for talk of despair if it does not end up being a major campaign issue.

        •  how to push him? (1+ / 0-)
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          Quicklund

          How do you think we should be doing that? I am all ears. Really.

          and re the "despair":  I am convinced that public leadership from elected leaders is necessary part of addressing climate change and minimizing the damage.

          I haven't seen this from anyone, really. Obama is on the hot seat, since he's the high officeholder. He hasn't shown much in his first term. He (and his people) aren't showing ANYthing in election season.

          Time keeps ticking on and far too little is happening.

          this can lead to despair.

          An ambulance can only go so fast - Neil Young

          by mightymouse on Sat Aug 25, 2012 at 12:09:23 PM PDT

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          •  I advise avoiding despair is all. (1+ / 0-)
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            mightymouse

            There is no greater single issue. I am learning French, I am preparing to sell my house if need be, I am realistically considering a move to Canada, all driven by climate change concerns. And ... I live literally within a walking distance of Lake Michigan. I can count on fresh water ... but it was over 100 F here this summer.

            But I do not conclude all will be lost if this issue does not dominate the election year. Look, it would be a great sign if climate change did become an issue. That would indicate the dam of denial has burst. That dam will burst one day and soon. But we cannot predictably make it burst before Nov by making clever arguments. If that were possible it would have burst by now.

            So my advice here is to avoid fatalism. Don't claim all will be lost if the improbable does not happen. Read my tagline.

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