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  •  I had a feeling (0+ / 0-)

    that this wasn't going to hold up:

    This will be my last post in this exchange, as I think I've made all the case that I need to make and we're now just going in circles; other readers can make their own determinations.
    Let's cut to the chase; do you find belief in something that is not supported by evidence, and in many cases is flatly contradicted by evidence, to be in any way a valid belief?

    That's a simple "yes" or "no" question that is central to my point (FYI - my answer is no).  It does not require a twelve paragraph answer exploring what "science" or "religion" really means vs. how I am defining it here.  It really is just that simple, you don't need to continue trying to make it more complex than it is or needs to be.

    I ask because I suspect that despite semantics, we are more than likely on the same page here and if that's the case, there really isn't much point in continuing to fight over the semantics.

    Arrrr, the laws of science be a harsh mistress. -Bender B. Rodriguez

    by democracy inaction on Sun Aug 26, 2012 at 02:00:06 PM PDT

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    •  Certainly not, which was my point in the first (0+ / 0-)

      place: by conflating religion and what amounts to theistic belief systems, particularly monotheistic ones, the argument is lost.

      It does a disservice to religious practice that is precisely rational (again, much of eastern non-mysticist faith, which has hundreds of millions of adherents), while at the same time missing the thrust of the argument (that it is the nature of the belief, not merely the nature of the practice or its very fact) that is at issue.

      I don't disagree on the epistemic claim, so long as it is made in a logically self-consistent way. But I do believe that words matter; if we are ever to legitimate science and undermine the "science is just another religion" arguments, we can't advocate for science and against other belief systems in ways that repeat precisely what we are trying to critique—assertion without empirical observation or without clear definitions and nuanced understandings of what is actually going on in the real world.

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      I am not a purity troll. I am a purity warrior.

      by nobody at all on Sun Aug 26, 2012 at 02:49:13 PM PDT

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