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  •  That's mostly correct (4.00)
    Truman is indeed the much more important figure in this - but the moments of decision were in 1947, not 1945.

    FDR was the greatest president this country ever had.

    I'm not part of a redneck agenda - Green Day

    by eugene on Sat May 07, 2005 at 10:17:22 PM PDT

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    •  Respectfully (none)
      I submit that the critical decision was in 1943. When Churchill and FDR succeded in shutting Stalin out of the reconstruction of Italy on the basis that we had done all the fighting, Stalin was really pissed, and used this as a justification to void the Atlantic Charter and take a hard line on eastern europe.  

      Maintaining the alliance long enough to finish off Hitler was tricky business.  By 1947 there weren't many options short of another war to keep eastern europe from falling under the exclusive sphere of influence of the soviets.

      FDR, Truman, and Eisenhower certainly provided more competent leadership to this country than Bushco.  

      Happy VE day, or if you prefer;
             Hurray Hurray for the 8th of may,
             It's National Outdoor Intercourse Day!

      "Good idea Chuck, but syrup won't stop 'em." Firesign Theater, Everything You Know is Wrong

      by 3card on Sun May 08, 2005 at 12:04:10 AM PDT

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      •  That assumes... (none)
        ...that FDR, or anybody for that matter, gave a shit about Eastern Europe. The Allies had always figured on granting that to the Soviets. The real question was always Germany. Until 1947, when the US made clear its intentions to incorporate the western occupation zones into its global sphere, cooperation was not only possible, it was generally the rule - Stalin had generally tried not to provoke the Western allies too much. If one looks at the evidence, 1947 is the key year. Certainly things had been set into motion earlier, and you're right to say that in 1943 FDR and Churchill did decide to make Stalin something of a junior partner, but FDR also figured that the final decisions would come after the war. Historians have never found any evidence on what FDR actually intended those decisions to be - FDR was adamant about never leaving a written record of his long-term plans about such things.

        I'm not part of a redneck agenda - Green Day

        by eugene on Sun May 08, 2005 at 12:26:52 AM PDT

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        •  The Baltic States... (none)
          ...were all but ceded to Stalin at Tehran in Nov. 1943.  

          By the time of the Potsdam meetings it was clear that he would accept nothing less than total domination of Poland and the rest of central and eastern Europe.  It is interesting to speculate if he would have accepted a neutral de-industrialized Germany if he had gotten the reparations package he wanted, and what would have followed.  

          I tend toward the view that Stalin was playing for all of German industrial production and all of Europe if he could get it, and Harriman, Forrestal, et. al., were absolutely correct in advising Truman to reject such a settlement outright.

          The Marshall Plan was not a "shot across the bow", it was a bullseye.

          "Good idea Chuck, but syrup won't stop 'em." Firesign Theater, Everything You Know is Wrong

          by 3card on Sun May 08, 2005 at 02:59:43 AM PDT

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    •  "FDR was the greatest (4.00)
      president this country ever had."  As a boomer baby, this was what I heard at the breakfast table every morning from my parents.  And why I've been a lifelong Democrat.

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