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  •  It's not naive (none)
    It's in the historical record. Whether or not Stalin is sincere is impossible to tell, but on many occasions he made overtures to the US and the UK about making Germany unified and neutral. West Germany was not "independent" of the US - it had more autonomy than East Germany did, although East Germany did have a great deal of autonomy itself.

    To argue that West Germany joined NATO and all of that of its own free will is poppycock - no votes were ever allowed on the issue, and the US wrote such things into the Basic Law in 1949, never giving West Germans an honest chance to decide for themselves - and in the 1950s when large majorities in West Germany opposed rearmament, Adenauer rammed it through the Bundestag anyway.

    I'm not part of a redneck agenda - Green Day

    by eugene on Sun May 08, 2005 at 12:22:45 AM PDT

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    •  O contraire (none)
      "Whether or not Stalin was sincere" is easy to tell.

      From Stalin's speech to Politburo, 19 August 1939:
      "In the event of a German defeat, the Sovietization of Germany and the creation of a Communist Government will follow inevitably."


      On May 23, 1949, the Grundgesetz (Basic Law), the constitution of the Federal Republic of Germany, was promulgated. Following elections in August, the first federal government was formed on September 20, 1949, by Konrad Adenauer (CDU). The next day, the occupation statute came into force, granting powers of self-government with certain exceptions.
      Grannted, "with some exceptions", but one must acknowledge that there were elections, the government itself was independent if not fully sovereign, and that elected government supported international alliances with the West. East Germany did not have a comprable level of autonomy, as evidenced by the fact that the USSR essentially took the whole country prisoner and wouldn't let anyone leave.

      The world's address
      a place that's worn
      a sad pun that reflects a sadder mess
      In case you haven't already guessed:
      The world's a dress.

      by Jaiwithani on Sun May 08, 2005 at 07:52:25 AM PDT

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