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  •  It's actually a legal term of art used to (1+ / 0-)
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    differentiate that violent act from the other crime of statutory rape.    

    The use of the term has a legal meaning.  

    He only employs his passion who can make no use of his reason. - Cicero

    by SpamNunn on Mon Aug 27, 2012 at 06:43:30 PM PDT

    •  If that's the case, then why won't he own it? (2+ / 0-)
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      Why does he take no responsibility for the legislation he proposes?

        If what you are saying is valid, why does he only now say that "rape is rape."

        Which by the way pal, it is.

      "We the People of the United States...." -U.S. Constitution

      by elwior on Mon Aug 27, 2012 at 06:48:17 PM PDT

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    •  I just ran a search on Thomas.gov (1+ / 0-)
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      Guess how many bills I found that include the phrase "forcible rape" in the current session?

      Exactly one: HR 3, aka "No Taxpayer Funding for Abortion Act".

      I found 5 in the previous session, 4 of which used the term only to refer to...denial of abortion funding.

      •  And, while I was at it, I decided to see how many (3+ / 0-)
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        ...of those other bills that use the term Ryan "didn't author" or "didn't sponsor".

        HR 708:  To restrict assistance to foreign organizations that perform or actively promote abortions.
        Co-sponsored by Paul Ryan.

        HR 5939: No Taxpayer Funding for Abortion Act
        Co-sponsored by Paul Ryan.

        H.R.4944 -- Siding with America's Patients Act
        NOT Co-sponsored by Paul Ryan

        H.R.3400 -- Empowering Patients First Act
        NOT Co-sponsored by Paul Ryan

        HR 3513: Prevention and Deterrence of Crimes Against Children Act of 2009
        No co-sponsors.

        In the 110th Congress, there were 3 bills containing the phrase. All are certainly good bills. None were co-sponsored by Ryan.

        HR 96: An amendment to the Constitution of the United States to permit the penalty of death for the rape of a child.

        HR 774: Rape Prevention and Education Grant Program Act of 2007

        HR 6167: Prevention and Deterrence of Crimes Against Children Act of 2008

        So, that's 1 in the current session; 5 in the previous session; 3 in the session before that. Since 1999 (when he took office), there have been a grand total of 25 bills that had the phrase "forcible rape" included.

        So, he's technically correct that there's been other bills (not sure whether 25 over 14 years counts as "lots") that include the phrase.

        However, it appears that the only time that he actually co-sponsors these bills is when they relate to denying abortion coverage.

        Want to make child rapists face harsher penalties? Forget it.

        Let drunk/unconscious women have the right to terminate a rapist's spawn? Hell no!

      •  Check the DOJ website. You'll find it. (1+ / 0-)
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        Forcible rape, as defined in the FBI’s Uniform Crime Reporting (UCR) Program, is the carnal knowledge of a female forcibly and against her will. Attempts or assaults to commit rape by force or threat of force are also included; however, statutory rape (without force) and other sex offenses are excluded.
        http://www2.fbi.gov/...

        He only employs his passion who can make no use of his reason. - Cicero

        by SpamNunn on Mon Aug 27, 2012 at 07:28:40 PM PDT

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