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  •  Where did the Diarist say (5+ / 0-)

    that Climate Change was responsible for a hurricane in August?

    I hope that the quality of debate will improve,
    but I fear we will remain Democrats.

    by twigg on Tue Aug 28, 2012 at 03:25:07 PM PDT

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    •  First paragraph? (1+ / 0-)
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      "With reality denial dominating the Republican Party platform, how will Republican National Convention delegates reconcile that the start of their 2012 gathering in Tampa was delayed by climate-fueled extreme weather?"

      Where are we, now that we need us most?

      by Frank Knarf on Tue Aug 28, 2012 at 03:51:39 PM PDT

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      •  Not seeing it (5+ / 0-)

        "Climate fueled" is not the same as "Climate Caused", especially as the Diarist goes on to explain how CC could well be exacerbating hurricanes, rather than causing them.

        You are being picky, and I don't understand why.

        I hope that the quality of debate will improve,
        but I fear we will remain Democrats.

        by twigg on Tue Aug 28, 2012 at 04:35:58 PM PDT

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        •  uhm, it's not really hard to understand ... (4+ / 0-)
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          this poster does this all the time. that's what he does.

          An ambulance can only go so fast - Neil Young

          by mightymouse on Wed Aug 29, 2012 at 05:40:18 AM PDT

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        •  Seems like you are the one being picky (0+ / 0-)

          Saying that the hurricance is "climate fueled" sure sounds like the OP is trying to show some sort of cause and effect with global warming.  If that wasn't their goal, then perhaps they should have reworded things as I heard it the exact same way as Frank Knarf.

          •  That's the problem isn't it? (0+ / 0-)

            One can say that many things are made worse by climate change with a reasonable degree of success.  

            On the other hand, one can never authoritatively state that any one event was absolutely caused by climate change because it's simply not something that can ever be proven.

            And so here we are, still having this conversation.  The first time I had was about 1992 I think.  Evidence of climate change was presented to Congress in the 80s, but every year our energy usage grows, as does the parts of CO2 in the atmosphere.

            I suspect that the only time there will be public will to make the necessary changes, is after it's already too late, and massive damage causes starvation and massive hurricane damage.

            Ignorance more frequently begets confidence then knowledge. Charles Darwin

            by martianexpatriate on Wed Aug 29, 2012 at 08:14:59 PM PDT

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            •  I'm pretty sanguine about it all (0+ / 0-)

              The American people are scientifically illiterate and only react to immediate threats.  There is no point in trying to explain it to them.  Expecting more I'm afraid will only leave you disappointed.

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