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  •  yes, the vote was symbolic (0+ / 0-)

    But -- just to offer a hypothetical -- if some Republican members had voted to contravene one of Brunner's directives, I imagine a lot of people here would have called for them to be fired. Not that I would want anyone to make hiring and firing decisions based on DKos comment threads.

    Now, these folks say that they didn't consider their proposal in violation of the directive -- and the administrative hearing officer who ruled against them used to be Bob Taft's chief of staff. So I'll consider that an open question, along with whether symbolically contravening a directive is a firing offense.

    As for policy, I think Husted should have added at least some weekend hours -- even though absentee voting is available, because I don't like absentee voting.

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    by HudsonValleyMark on Tue Aug 28, 2012 at 06:30:27 PM PDT

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    •  Wrong. (5+ / 0-)

      Neither I nor anyone I know would have been calling for Brunner to fire any Republicans for putting on a piece of theater. There wouldn't be any grounds. Now, Brunner DID fire the whole Cuyahoga board — Republicans and Democrats alike — because there was a whole panoply of problems here in 2004 that resulted in some underlings taking the rap for a faulty miscount. It's almost certain that the real responsible party was the GOP chair of the Cuyahoga BoE who probably not coincidentally was also the chairman of the state Republican Party (and now is again — the same scumbag who recently called the League of Women Voters a "special interest snake in the grass group). But she fired the WHOLE board, preferring — correctly — not to assign the negligence to just one party. And there was a whole bunch of negligence and election chaos to pin on them, not merely one symbolic vote.

      You can't possibly be saying that because someone was Bob Taft's chief of staff he has credibility, can you?

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      by anastasia p on Tue Aug 28, 2012 at 08:51:35 PM PDT

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      •  I believe that you wouldn't have (0+ / 0-)

        But honestly, I think you're denying the obvious. If two Republicans had voted to go against one of Brunner's directives, some Kossacks would have been outraged regardless of whether the vote was symbolic. Why not? After all, yelling "You lie!" at the president during his SOTU address was only symbolic.

        And no, for pity's sake, I'm not saying that voting for weekend voting hours is just like yelling "You lie!" at the president. I'm saying that it isn't axiomatic that symbolic actions get a pass, or even that they should. (Joe Wilson was censured, a symbolic response to a symbolic act.)

        In this instance, two members of the board voted on one side, and two members voted on the other side. Obviously Husted wasn't going to fire all four of them. And obviously he didn't have to fire any of them.

        You can't possibly be saying that because someone was Bob Taft's chief of staff he has credibility, can you?
        No, and I can't figure out how you would find that in my words.

        My point was that having an administrative hearing officer rule that these two members should be fired isn't as impressive as it might seem, given who he was. Still, on facts presented here, it is an open question whether he was wrong on the merits.

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        by HudsonValleyMark on Wed Aug 29, 2012 at 08:52:06 AM PDT

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