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  •  yup, it is indeed more fun and tastier (1+ / 0-)
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    people often forget that living in tune with nature's rhythm is not only better for our bodies, but our souls.

    Hope is not the conviction that something will turn out well, but the certainty that something makes sense regardless of how it turns out. - Vaclav Havel

    by citisven on Wed Sep 05, 2012 at 03:42:03 PM PDT

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    •  Nature's Rhythm (1+ / 0-)
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      Hard to hear over the 60 cycle hum.

      Of course, we were born for this planet, this natural world, shaped over millions of years to rely on the sun and all the processes it powers.

      Perhaps NNadir will deign to tell us how many exajoules of solar energy go into the food we eat.

      Solar is civil defense. Video of my small scale solar experiments at solarray.

      by gmoke on Wed Sep 05, 2012 at 03:55:18 PM PDT

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      •  Well, given that you've bet the world's food... (0+ / 0-), the planetary atmosphere and most of the world's higher mammals on the notion that we can all live in a solar powered nirvana - as you joined rather boldly with all those who would like to destroy the world's largest, by far, source of climate change gas free energy you surely don't need me to do this calculation.

        You must, with the rest of "Nuclear Free DKos," be a real genius, since you deign to represent large portion of the life's work of Glenn Seaborg worthless and beneath your exalted appreciation.

        There are, if you read it, lots of representations in the scientific literature, estimates of how much of the world's photosynthesis is devoted to human use.

        (If you don't read it, you can always ask a minor blogger on a backwater website to give you the answer.)

        Estimates seem to center at around 40-50%.

        Where I live, farm fields are actually being converted to solar PV sites, so this may change in the future to a higher number as we clear more and more forests, grasslands and other "useless" stuff.

        And then there's that tiny matter of the droughts.

        Happily, this will not impact yuppies very much, because of all the wonderful cityscape gardens, assuming of course, all that solar electricity we'll have to pump and drain lakes and rivers into cities.

        Heckuva job. You must be a very proud group over there at "Nuclear Free DKos" after you're long range efforts to destroy, the world's largest, by far, source of climate change gas free energy.

        Have a nice evening.

        •  Solar Powered Nirvana (0+ / 0-)

          We've always been a solar-powered nirvana.  We will always be a solar-powered nirvana.  Without sunlight, we can't exist.  Sunlight powers almost all biological life on this planet, directly or indirectly.  The amount of solar energy we use dwarfs the energy we count from all fossil fuels and your panacea, nuclear power.

          To answer the question which you deigned to respond to, thank you very much, but didn't deign to answer, Cornell agronomist David Pimentel confirmed my back of the envelope estimate of the amount of sunlight that goes into growing just the food we eat annually a number of years ago.  That number is on the order of at least three times the whole annual energy budget or something around 300 quadrillion btu's.  That's 316.51677 exajoules according to the online quad to exajoule calculator.

          About those droughts, they have shut down nuclear power plants around the world from time to time and will continue to do so until you and zombie Glenn Seaborg (no disrespect meant to that great scientist) produce a better design.

          Solar is civil defense. Video of my small scale solar experiments at solarray.

          by gmoke on Fri Sep 07, 2012 at 08:32:56 PM PDT

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          •  The sun isn't powered by nuclear processes? (0+ / 0-)

            There is actually sufficient fissile and fertile resources on this planet to outlast the planet it's self. And the technology to do this, the IFR, this better technology was cancelled by... see if you can guess by who and for what reasons. And as for nuclear energy being a panacea, some one wrote a diary on just that subject. Who could that be I wonder?...

          •  Really? No kidding? (0+ / 0-)

            "We've always been powered by solar energy?"


            I thought that sort of statement was true only until the dawn of the 19th century, when less than one billion people lived short brutish lives generally.

            In any case, in case you missed it, genius wannabe, I wasn't talking only about food, although its coming absence will certainly be a matter of small concern to the same people anti-nukes in generally couldn't give a fuck about:   Poor people.

            I guess, by the way, that in all those lectures at MIT you attended - apparently nonetheless with a limited understanding of thermodynamics (or any other science) - you never grasped the simple division that is involved in the determination of "capacity utilization."

            While you prattle on that nuclear plants might shut for a few days because of temperatures - thus reducing their capacity factors by one or two percent - you give not a rat's ass that nuclear capacity factors around the world are all still close to 90% whereas your toxic, expensive and ineffective solar toys have a fucking hard time making it to 12%.   It's why the world can't frack hard enough to support your dangerous and deadly fantasies.

            (For the record - although it is clearly likely to exceed the reading level of the rote selective attention and scientific illiteracy of the murderous denizens of organizations like "Nuclear Free DKos" the question of climate's effects on electricity reliability in the current issue of Nature Climate Change.   You can access it in the Dewey Library.   Vulnerability of US and European electricity supply to climate change

            The text of the article states that all thermal power plants - including the gas and coal power plants couldn't fucking care less about and, on which they in fact depend will have their summer capacity reduced by as much as 19%.

            From the text of the paper, which I happen to have right in front of me right now:

            The summer average usable capacity of power plants with once-through or combination cooling systems is projected to decrease by 1216% (US) and 1319% (Europe) for the 2040s (for B1A2 SRES emissions scenario; Fig. 3a).
            I note that the reduction in summer capacity would still exceed the best capacity factor of a solar system in a desert during a drought.   I note with due disgust and moral outrage that our anti-nukes are working hard to make as many granaries as is possible into deserts so they can have solar farms where there were once food farms.

            But, of course, our "urban gardens" powered by pumped water will save the day, right?

            Do you ever tire of getting smug, delusional and indifferent to the plight of humanity?    Just asking...

            Some years back - while you were still handing out horseshit about "the future" of your stupid expensive toxic bourgeois toys and how they would save the world - I calculated using direct data which is still accessible the capacity utilization of the $700,000 solar PV system at the Massachusetts Museum of Contemporary Art  

            When I did that calculation, the capacity factor was 10.6% annualized.

            I mused about how much energy the system would produce over a putative 50 year life time, which wasn't very much.

            However the system did not make it 50 years.   It didn't make it 10 years.   It's failed.   It produced zero energy in the month of August 2012, and now qualifies, presumably as "electronic waste."

            Are you and your dumbelll pals at "Nuclear Free DKos" going to bicycle out to North Adams to make sure that the cadmium tellluride in this new waste heap is safely disposed of?

            I doubt it.    You'll just spew thermodynamic and moral garbage and nonsense about nuclear reliability

            And of course, we can be happy and thrilled that in this case, the money wasted on the solar fantasy only came out the budget for the arts, but more often than not, it is the poor, the helpless, the hungry who suffer for this bourgeois conceit.

            For the record, for anyone who can add and subtract, multiply and divide, nuclear energy - still the world's largest form of climate change gas free energy despite decades of rote fear, ignorance and superstition hurled at it by intellectual Lilliputians = is also still the form of electric generation with the highest capacity utilization.

            This may decrease, of course, as you and your pals in the fear, superstition and ignorance squad work to destroy the planet's rivers and atmosphere, but this merely makes you an arsonist who complains about the outbreak of fires.

            Heckuva job, anti-nuke..   Congratulations.   You must be very, very, very proud.

            Have a nice weekend.

            •  Sunlight (0+ / 0-)

              Without sunlight there would be no life on this planet.  True since the beginning of time, true, in all likelihood, until the end of time.  That you can't see that is myopic in the extreme.  Nothing you can write will change that reality.  The sun goes out and we're gone.  That's it.

              If you think I'm powerful enough to have stopped nuclear energy in its tracks, you are seriously deluded.  Just like you, I'm nobody important, another "third rate blogger at a backwater site" to use your words.  Beat up on me as much as you want but don't think that it's gonna make any difference in the world.  It's an easy way to pretend that you're actually doing something and much safer than confronting Exxon, BP, the Kochs, and the rest of the fossil fuel industry.

              Solar is civil defense. Video of my small scale solar experiments at solarray.

              by gmoke on Sat Sep 08, 2012 at 10:45:26 PM PDT

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