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  •  It's child abuse (45+ / 0-)

    Force-feeding children ignorant lies hobbles them in their task of growing up ready to succeed in a technologically advanced society.   Parents used to aspire to better for their children than they had themselves.  Now too many parents want to trap their children in the same tarpit of ignorance and prejudice that has ensnared them.  Bad enough they do that, but when they try to drag other people's kids in there with them, they become a clear and present danger to society.

    For the love of money is the root of all evil; and while some have coveted after it, they have erred from the faith and pierced themselves through with many sorrows. (1 Timothy 6:10)

    by Dallasdoc on Wed Aug 29, 2012 at 07:10:32 AM PDT

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    •  Religion is child abuse, I am with Dawkins on this (18+ / 0-)

      I kept religious ideas away from my daughter and now that she is 10, she thinks these Bible stories are NUTS!

      Get them past the age of reason and you can keep a child's mind free...

      •  We've purposefully avoided exposing our (10+ / 0-)

        oldest (now 14) to religion in general.  When we've seen stuff on TV that references Christianity, we've explained to her what the context is.  I think she is curious about some of this stuff, especially when we get together with my family.  They're not holy rollers, but they are, for the most part, practicing Catholics. I've encouraged her to take a comparative religion course either in HS or in college so that she's not completely ignorant in this area, but so far, she's expressed no interest in following any religion.

      •  Nonsense. (0+ / 0-)

        Dawkins exact remark: "Priestly groping of child bodies is disgusting. But it may be less harmful in the long run than priestly subversion of child minds."

        I would dearly love to see scientific evidence that religious education is harmful at all, let alone as harmful as sexual abuse.

        I'll grant that Dawkins is descending into polemic, which is all well and good.  And I would love to know if children raised in traditional religious households as opposed to secular ones are destined for less favorable outcomes.  But that's no reason to treat what's clearly meant as needling hyperbole as gospel truth.

        •  The harm is not only directly to the children (0+ / 0-)

          but to all of society when children taught racism, bigotry, and other antisocial attitudes grow up to be voters and to be adherents of murderous political movements of various kinds, whether Kill the Gays, Kill the abortion doctors, Kill the Crusaders, Kill the Muslims, Kill the Jews, or whatever.

          The record of Judaism, Christianity, and Islam going back to the genocides in Canaan is not good. Just to hit a few of the highlights, of the post-Biblical period, we had the murder of the Librarian of Alexandria and the sacking of the library by Christians, followed hundreds of years later by a Muslim sack of Alexandria; the Crusades (both sides); the Inquisition; the Thirty Years War between all of the Catholic countries in the south of Europe and all of the Protestant countries to the north; the Eighty Years War between the Spanish Empire and the Netherlands; Cromwell in Ireland; Christian White Supremacist churches in the US South; pogroms against Jews; Christian-backed Imperialism across nearly the entire world; Jews vs. Muslims in the Middle East; and a wide range of priestly and ministerial sexual abuse scandals in many countries.

          This is a far worse record than Buddhism, or Hinduism, or Daoism, or Confucianism.

          Now, how much positive good has Judaism, Christianity, or Islam done in the world, compared with the other great religions? Nothing exceptional. The other religions teach decent moralities, which they also fail to live up to. The Abrahamic religions cannot lay claim to modern science and technology, which Catholics and Protestants alike fought tooth and nail for centuries, as many still do, nor to material progress of other kinds. Islamic societies, after having led the world in math and science for centuries, later fell into severe hostility to modernity of any kind.

          Now, that does not mean that teaching children any form of religion is necessarily bad for them, or us. Atheists who reject the actually non-existent pseudo-Christian Gods so popular in various sectors of society could be throwing the baby out with the bathwater. We could discuss the exceptions. We could discuss various options.

          But it is well to remember that it is the vast majority of actual pseudo-Christians, pseudo-Jews, and pseudo-Muslims who give all the rest of religion a bad name.

          Hey, Mitt! Thanks for ObamneyCare. http://www.healthcare.gov

          by Mokurai on Wed Aug 29, 2012 at 05:08:52 PM PDT

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    •  And this is how segregation was finally ended, (8+ / 0-)

      in Brown v. Board, separate but equal injured children.

    •  Preach it! (25+ / 0-)

      It is beyond any doubt child abuse.  Force-feeding kids this creationist BS undermines their sense of wonder at the physical universe, their natural tendency to learn through experimentation, and their critical thinking skills. Lying to kids... it's simply the opposite of any sort of morality.

      Not long ago, my wife and I went down to Cincinnati to go fossil hunting.  At the hotel that night, we came across a kid who's grandparents took him to the Creation Museum for his birthday.  This horrible museum that teaches kids that people and dinosaurs co-existed and the earth is only 6000 years old. The taxpayers of Kentucky paid millions of dollars in taxpayer money in "economic development funds" to create this monument to ignorance.  So terribly sad.  This was a six year old kid, who should never be victimized this way. We gave him a brachiopod along with a silent wish that someday he learns to thinkg for himself.  If he gets obsessed enough with fossils and deep time, he might end up in a library someday and start to question the lies and manipulation.

      It's beyond ironic that this museum is located smack dab in the middle of one of the world's greatest and best-preserved Ordovician fossil beds, some 440 million years old, when Ohio was part of Laurasia and was located in the southern hemisphere tropics.  If any readers are located in Cincinnati, I highly recommend checking out the roadcuts in any direction from your city.  

      “If the misery of the poor be caused not by the laws of nature, but by our institutions, great is our sin.” Charles Darwin

      by ivorybill on Wed Aug 29, 2012 at 08:03:49 AM PDT

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      •  It is criminal and tragic... (8+ / 0-)

        Part of their "education reform" platform actually demands that critical thinking skills be abolished in classrooms at all grade levels..(I don't know about you all, but my first teacher in critical thinking skills was my dad at our dinner table when I was about 5! Drove me crazy then, I wish he were still here so I could give him a BIG hug and thank him from the bottom of my heart <8 ) They believe that children should be taught that whatever their parents teach them is the absolute truth and questioning their parents beliefs will literally damn them to hell. All these people believe in is total power and total control, there is nothing Christ-like in them at all. And they will have no problem bringing on "Armageddon" themselves to bring about "the Rapture" (see the fundamentalists obsession with everything pro-Israel and their equally rabid war saber rattling toward Iran as an example) Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell are the modern day proponents of this ideaology.

        (Yeah I inadvertently ran into some of this seriously frightening nut-jobbery in youth groups in the late 70's. Cured me of organized religion once and for all!)

        "Don't boo-Vote!"

        by mindara on Wed Aug 29, 2012 at 10:00:49 AM PDT

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      •  I went past there last year (1+ / 0-)
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        My son and I have thought about visiting, just so we could fall on the floor laughing. We live in Southern Indiana, on the Mississippian limestone.

        Hey, Mitt! Thanks for ObamneyCare. http://www.healthcare.gov

        by Mokurai on Wed Aug 29, 2012 at 05:14:45 PM PDT

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