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  •  I appreciate the generosity (5+ / 0-)

    and basic decency of what you are saying:

    Fundamentalism contains everything it needs to be at peace with science... So they can have both the 6 day and the 14 billion year creations at the same time.
    As a practical matter, this is a good way to address the inconsistencies between Genesis and observable reality.  But sometimes I also say to myself under my breath... "truth matters".  

    The rules and courtesies that help us cohere as a society require that we create the space for people to decide for themselves how to reconcile religious faith with science.  But it seems to me that is is more difficult to really reconcile the two than sometimes we want to think.  They are contradictory and both can't always be true.

    “If the misery of the poor be caused not by the laws of nature, but by our institutions, great is our sin.” Charles Darwin

    by ivorybill on Wed Aug 29, 2012 at 09:15:56 AM PDT

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    •  Spirituality and science are not mutually (5+ / 0-)


      This current tension is a political power struggle.

      I personally find no contradictions, but then I'm not a fundamentalist, and am Buddhist, if anything.

      Life is a school, love is the lesson.

      by means are the ends on Wed Aug 29, 2012 at 09:44:34 AM PDT

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      •  Spirituality and science (7+ / 0-)

        are not mutually exclusive. Biblical literalism and science, however, are. Which is where the Young Earth Creationists come in.

        The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their neutrality in times of moral crisis. --Dante Alighieri

        by uffdalib on Wed Aug 29, 2012 at 10:36:26 AM PDT

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        •  My favorite professor (12+ / 0-)

          in seminary/grad school was Dr. Harrell Beck. Harrell was a world-renowned scholar of the Hebrew scriptures and an ordained United Methodist minister. Early in his Introduction to the Old Testament class, while talking about expectations for papers and exams, he noted that any position that was well defended was acceptable, whether or not it agreed with his positions offered in class, with one exception: Biblical literalism.

          I can still hear his firm but gentle voice: "Biblical literalism is not a defensible academic position. Biblical literalism is a mental abberation."

          Then he waited, head bowed, as a handful of students closed their notebooks and left class. After the door closed, he looked back up at the rest of us and said, "I lose a few every year, but it has to be said."

          I really miss that man.

          "Do it in the name of Heaven; you can justify it in the end..." - Dennis Lambert & Brian Potter

          by pragmaticidealist on Wed Aug 29, 2012 at 12:36:06 PM PDT

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        •  Disagree. (2+ / 0-)
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          Paul Rogers, means are the ends

          Science is a fundamentally stochastic field; so long as you believe God to be omnipotent--as Biblical literalists presumably do--then asserting the improbable to the supernatural is trivial.  You can believe God created the universe in six days (sidereal, solar, whatever) and accept prevailing scientific thought on its formation.  You can believe God set the Sun in the sky for a full day and still buy celestial mechanics.  You can believe God created all creatures de novo and still accept the chemical and biological underpinnings of the modern synthesis.

          The real failing of creationism is its abuse of scientific practice and knowledge in an effort to show highly unlikely or magic events to be materially, inevitably knowable.  The creationist movement has deprived millions of the ability to properly use the tools of science through their misuse, and that's the point Mr. Nye was trying to make.

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