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  •  Exactly... (7+ / 0-)

    and so many forget.....if we believe in that constitution, government is US.   It is of the people, by the people, for the people.

    *Roads, bridges, schools, fire departments, police departments are of the people, by the people and for the people.  
    *FEMA, inspectors of food, water purification workers are of the people, by the people and for the people.  
    *Prisons SHOULD always be of the people, by the people and for the people.   because we have seen what privatization has done.   Privatizations of prisons is the proof of the danger of putting dollar signs on things designed to benefit all.   Privatization of education puts dollar signs on children.  Privatization of health care has cost all of us way too much.   And on, and on, and on.  

    When people are convinced that government is them, not us, then the right can convince them to hate those things that are FOR them.   It boggles my mind how coldly and without conscience the right has convinced some of the poorest, some of the most needy to vote against themselves.  It boggles my mind how any so called "Christian" leaders can urge their followers that the greed of the right is a good thing, and deny all things taught by their namesake, Jesus Christ.  

    It's a sad and very perverted thing the republicans are doing.

    •  Of course they have the right (4+ / 0-)

      to try to make government do what THEY want it to do, for THEM and no one else. The constitution grants them that right. But I don't buy their telling me that this is about freedom or prosperity or what the founders intended, because that's an insulting crock of shit. What this is, ALL that this is, is pure and unadulterated selfishness, taken to a sociopathic degree. PEE. REE. YUD.

      "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

      by kovie on Wed Aug 29, 2012 at 10:23:19 AM PDT

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      •  No, actually, they don't have the right to try and (4+ / 0-)
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        "make the government do what they want for them and no one else" - that would violate the "Equal Treatment under the Law" portion of the 14th Amendment.

        AMENDMENT XIV

        SECTION 1.

        All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

        [emphasis added]

        They only have the right to demand they be given the same advantages as everyone else. Nothing less, nothing more.

        That's the difference between us and them, they know it's true too, they don't give a shit, because they are ego-centric, selfish-asshats for the most part.

        "Taxes are what we pay for civilized society.''
        -- SCOTUS Justice O.W. Holmes Jr
        "I like paying taxes...with them, I buy Civilization"
        -- Angie in WA State

        by Angie in WA State on Wed Aug 29, 2012 at 12:49:31 PM PDT

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        •  But that's not in the original document (3+ / 0-)
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          signed by Jesus, Ronald Reagan and James Madison.

          So your point is moot in their minds don't ya know.

          “It would be nice to spend billions on schools and roads, but right now that money is desperately needed for political ads.” – Andy Borowitz

          by Gordon20024 on Wed Aug 29, 2012 at 01:16:49 PM PDT

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        •  You misunderstood me (2+ / 0-)
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          The have the right to try to do this legally, which would require an amendment. The constitution affords them that right. There isn't a snowball's chance in hell of it happening as they'd never find the votes, but technically, they have the right to try. I'll grant them that. But morally, they have no such right.

          I was making a purely academic point about their legal right, but a far more relevant point about their moral right--or lack thereof.

          "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

          by kovie on Wed Aug 29, 2012 at 03:24:48 PM PDT

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          •  again, even were they to manage to create an (2+ / 0-)
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            Amendment and get enough votes for it to Pass 2/3 of the StateHouses and a President to sign it...

            a challenge to the SCOTUS would find that, with the prior existence of the 14th Amendment this new Amendment granting a Right to only specific people would be found to be in violation of the 14th Amendment, and thus of the entire Constitution. With an eventual finding that the new Amendment is unconstitutional, and struck down.

            So no one, even the insane Right, will expend the time and energy supporting a new Law with that as it's future. Maybe if Romney won in November and by 2025 we had a Theocracy running the country... ok, yeah, then it could happen. But not now, not under the current system.

            The only case in which these sorts of things occur, is when one is talking about the IRS. Because minute changes to the IRS tax code occur as often as natural mutation of DNA in any living thing (which is pretty much all the time).

            Now, if you want to specifically only try and change the IRS tax code, just to benefit you personally? If you had the resources (money and power) to influence the correct US Senator (or three) or perhaps a few US Congressmen... Yes, You could do that. Someone or some corporation is doing it right now, as we speak, somewhere in the world. A lot of them do it in the US. It's why the tax code is insanely long and convoluted, and impossible to understand even with CPA training and decades of experience (says a friend who's been a CPA since the early 1980s).

            But that's it. Otherwise, and especially if you are talking about Constitutional Amendments, it can't happen.

            "Taxes are what we pay for civilized society.''
            -- SCOTUS Justice O.W. Holmes Jr
            "I like paying taxes...with them, I buy Civilization"
            -- Angie in WA State

            by Angie in WA State on Thu Aug 30, 2012 at 12:27:56 AM PDT

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