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  •  Since Ryan and the Radical Republicans lied about (2+ / 0-)
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    when the Janesville plant closed, and whose watch it was on, is there a video record of what President (then presidential candidate) Obama actually did say about that plant.

    If a Radical Republican will lie about when the plant closed, then they will lie about what presidential candidate Obama said as well.  Does anyone know of a video record or quotation from the event in question of what Obama really said?

    It would be interesting to have that record as well.  Oh, what the hell, I looked it up.  The speech was on February 12, 2008, over 4 months before GM announced he plant would close and 11 months before President Obama was inaugurated.  From CNN's Fact Check:

    The Detroit News pointed out that Obama made no such promise in the February 13, 2008, speech, and indeed, we've seen no account suggesting that Obama did. Here is the quote at issue, according to an account kept by the Council on Foreign Relations:

    "I know that General Motors received some bad news yesterday, and I know how hard your governor has fought to keep jobs in this plant. But I also know how much progress you've made -- how many hybrids and fuel-efficient vehicles you're churning out," Obama said. "And I believe that if our government is there to support you, and give you the assistance you need to re-tool and make this transition, that this plant will be here for another hundred years."

    By "bad news," Obama apparently was referring to GM's February 12, 2008, announcement that it had a $38.7 billion adjusted net loss for 2007.

    The federal government in February, 2008, misled by George W. Bush failed to offer GM assistance needed to help GM re-tool and do the steps necessary to keep the plant going.  By the time President Obama's administration joined the fight to save the auto industry, it was too late for Janesville's GM plant, which made dinosaur Suburbans and Yukons, massive SUV's whose base design hasn't changed since the mid-1930's.

    Candidate Obama did not pledge to "keep that plant open", so once again, Paul Ryan lied about a material fact.

    I always contend that a half-truth, with intent do deceive, is a complete lie.  Mr. Ryan doesn't really get to the threshold of a half-truth.  The statement, like so many others he makes is a complete lie.

    For the record, the CNN Fact Check concludes that Ryan's statement is "True, but incomplete", which denies reality and a conclusion with which I completely disagree.  It makes one wonder if CNN Fact Check is on the Romney-Ryan payroll.  To tell such a whopper and say Ryan's statement is "True, but incomplete" is simply defective and deceptive journalism.

    Republicans are like alligators. All mouth and no ears.

    by Ohiodem1 on Thu Aug 30, 2012 at 09:00:07 AM PDT

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      but good point.

      A particularly germain point you made about the products made at that plant: it was hoped/intended that the Janesville plant would be a target for retooling to make parts for high speed rail. Wisconsin had millions headed our way.  

      Scott Walker turned down all the HSR funds, dashing those hopes.

      You can always count on Americans to do the right thing - after they've tried everything else. -- Sir Winston Churchill

      by bleeding heart on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 11:50:48 AM PDT

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