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  •  yes that is a big lie indeed (9+ / 0-)

    still.. not sure why it is bigger than the Medicare lie or some of the others..

    its like trying to decide which snowflake falling is the largest..

    it's that one there!

    no wait.. its this one right here!!!

    your both wrong.. I just saw the biggest one float by a minute ago.

    •  Quiz (3+ / 0-)
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      Aunt Pat, LNK, flitedocnm

      Who wrote this?

      "[I]n the big lie there is always a certain force of credibility; because the broad masses of a nation are always more easily corrupted in the deeper strata of their emotional nature than consciously or voluntarily; and thus in the primitive simplicity of their minds they more readily fall victims to the big lie than the small lie, since they themselves often tell small lies in little matters but would be ashamed to resort to large-scale falsehoods. It would never come into their heads to fabricate colossal untruths, and they would not believe that others could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously. Even though the facts which prove this to be so may be brought clearly to their minds, they will still doubt and waver and will continue to think that there may be some other explanation. For the grossly impudent lie always leaves traces behind it, even after it has been nailed down, a fact which is known to all expert liars in this world and to all who conspire together in the art of lying.

    •  I know (3+ / 0-)

      very hard to decide.

      I decided for me that it was this one because this one is about something that actually happened, and hurt the nation, and Ryan is directly responsible for it.

      "There’s class warfare, all right, but it’s my class, the rich class, that’s making war, and we’re winning." —Warren Buffett

      by Joan McCarter on Thu Aug 30, 2012 at 10:17:47 AM PDT

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      •  I think the GOP has some very good psychologists (3+ / 0-)
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        Joan McCarter, LNK, Ice Blue

        It is like noise itself....

        If you play two sounds at the same time for different places in the room. you can hear them both.

        If you increase to three. probably same result..

        but what if you put 50 different sounds in the room at the same time.. you will only hear the two loudest and the rest will be like an indiscernible din...

        So.. once they get up to ten lies...at most people will hear the "biggest" three.. and that's about it..the rest just get through.

        someone mentioned the psychology of the "big lie"..

        there is an equally powerful psychology to the high-volume lies.,, kinda like spamming the system..

        •  Psychology and lies in politics (2+ / 0-)
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          Ice Blue, One Opinion

          FACT DO NOT COUNT as much as we imagine.

          This Is Your Brain on Metaphors
          By ROBERT SAPOLSKY
          SNIP
          "Jonathan Haidt, of the University of Virginia, has shown how viscera and emotion often drive our decisionmaking, with conscious cognition mopping up afterward, trying to come up with rationalizations for that gut decision. .. . ."

          http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/...

          "It goes against our nature; but the left has to start asserting its own values"
          http://www.guardian.co.uk/...

          SNIPPET:
          . . . . . Common Cause, written by Tom Crompton of the environment group WWF, examines a series of fascinating recent advances in the field of psychology. It offers, I believe, a remedy to the blight that now afflicts every good cause from welfare to climate change.

          Progressives, he shows, have been suckers for a myth of human cognition he labels the enlightenment model. This holds that people make rational decisions by assessing facts. All that has to be done to persuade people is to lay out the data: they will then use it to decide which options best support their interests and desires.

          A host of psychological experiments demonstrate that it doesn't work like this. Instead of performing a rational cost-benefit analysis, we accept information that confirms our identity and values, and reject information that conflicts with them. We mould our thinking around our social identity, protecting it from serious challenge. Confronting people with inconvenient facts is likely only to harden their resistance to change.

      •  Not to mention that the damage which all of his (0+ / 0-)

        other lies might cause, when weighed against the Value of our Currency and power to Borrow (at low rates), is minor ---

        which I do not say lightly. But imagine, if you will, a moment in time when the US Govt turns to the Open Market to Borrow to meet national obligations (like sending out SS checks to Tens of Millions of retired seniors each month...) and gets a big fat: No, we can't help you

        The fallout from that scenario could quite literally, tear the country apart.

        I think you choose wisely and well.

        "Taxes are what we pay for civilized society.''
        -- SCOTUS Justice O.W. Holmes Jr
        "I like paying taxes...with them, I buy Civilization"
        -- Angie in WA State

        by Angie in WA State on Thu Aug 30, 2012 at 11:09:59 AM PDT

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