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  •  I hope and pray it's not just like Germany 1932 (11+ / 0-)

    Because we sure as heck don't want to experience a Germany 1942.  I'm finding is really difficult to fathom how so many Americans are buying the Republican platform, which is so clearly against their self-interests.  Are so many of us truly so dumb?

    We're ALL better off when we're ALL better off!

    by susanWAstate on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 11:24:27 AM PDT

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    •  In a word: Yes. (14+ / 0-)

      Or at least that scared, ignorant, misinformed, bigoted and filled with resentment if not hate.

      For those of us old enough to remember how things were thirty years ago, there has been a seismic shift in the attitudes of our population. I have never seen so many people so angry, so confused, so misinformed, so cognizant that the American dream is slipping through their fingers without having the slightest clue how that happened.

      So, it's very easy to cast blame -- on all of the wrong forces and all of the wrong people. Obama is being made into a scapegoat. And that is not in the least bit accidental. Science, intelligence, and having a skeptical mind, are all denigrated. That's no accident either. Much better to drown out anything that doesn't fit the approved narrative with jingoistic chants of USA! USA! Romney and his cronies will be there to rake in everything of value that isn't tied down.

      Yes, please read the Taibbi article linked to by dolfin66 above. It is excellent, and very, very scary. Everyone should read it.

      "But there is so much more to do." - Barack Obama, Nov. 4, 2008

      by flitedocnm on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 01:05:41 PM PDT

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    •  Yes. And scared. And ignorant. (3+ / 0-)

      "Have a beginner's mind at all times, for a beginner knows nothing and learns all while a sophisticate knows all and learns nothing." - Suzuki

      by dolfin66 on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 01:54:13 PM PDT

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    •  But it is 1932 (8+ / 0-)

      Given that comparisons to the 1932 fascist movement will automatically disqualify any comment form being "serious" many of the techniques, and tactics are being employed today that were used in that awful time.  

      1) corporate money used to influence social outcomes.  During the 1930's sponsorship from large corporate interests as key in allowing the continuation of propaganda.  The idea was to deflate the German currency making the cost of war reparations from WWI less hard on the companies.  The idea was simple: people do better when companies do better.  And companies did better when they were making munitions and the cost of their debt was lowered through inflation. To the sponsors of government, companies came first.

      2) appealing to the deserved.  In the 1930's the word "Volk" was the dog whistle to mean the true German spirit.  The Heros of WWI that didnt sell out the German nation.  This was a simple tool to make some feel that others were underserving.   In this case, the German Volk hero was the german laborer, the aryan that had a connection with the very bedroack of the german earth. To the supporters of government, the deserving came first.

      3) the use of a lax media to frame conversations. Even though Goebbels had to change his message several times during the many elections that the party forced, he was the first to admit that the message fit the need.  There was some push back, but this was undermined in favor of the "correct" message.  So much so that it eventually became a whole media outlet unto itself. Der Stürmer and  Völkischer Beobachter were diligent in using language for their followers, and setting ideas that could not be challenged. With these, the "free" media eventually became marginalized so that no one noticed when they became regulated. To the media, readers became consumers.

      4) political rallies and speeches became the providence of those "in the know."  There was no longer any pretense that political rallies and gatherings were to inform anyone of the platform of the party.  They no longer held any ideas or new directives that would be carried out.  They offered no details as to claims.  Falsehoods were taken as gospel.  They were more than propaganda machines, they WERE the truth, filled with the symbolism of blooding the swastika. To the followers, politics became a religion.

      5) party schisms were handled brutally.  As party elites like Fromm quickly found out, even if you were for them, you had to bow down in a specific way.  You didnt interject your imprint onto the movement - your voice wasnt part of the dialogue.  There were no spaces for shades of grey within the movement.  Only one way to think.  Only one way to act.  Only one way to vote. To the party, those that disagreed became traitors.  

      6) and when they finally and overwhelming lost they blamed the german people for their cowardliness, and lack of will. To the rest of the world, the germans became a pariah their nation in ruins and they, bearing the blame for the millions they killed in their "justified" wars.

      I am often struck by the "modern" GOP - tell the biggest lie first/never back down, win at all costs/even at the expense of the nation, find an enemy and make it their fault, and claim God is on your side.  Goebbels would have been proud.

      •  Oh, it's quite serious... (0+ / 0-)

        ...and the condescending snark can only come from someone who hasn't read unabridged history.

        1.  When Hitler came to power, he abolished all labor unions, cut wages and extended work hours.

        2.  See #1 above.  It was all bullshit.

        3.  Goebbels DIRECTED the message from the beginning of Nazi rule.  He and Hitler crafted every word that hit the "media".  If the media outlet didn't toe the line they were burned out.

        4.  Yes, and those who wanted to survive followed along too.

        5.  And you don't think the Tea Party is beginning to fill that role?  Read their websites and you'll hear and read the same rhetoric you describe here.

        6. Well, what do you expect from a political movement built on paranoia, fear and constant war?  Say, that sounds familiar.  Oh, and the TP says that if you aren't about war and the flag you're a coward and a traitor.

        Sorry, there are too many parallels to blow any comparisons to 1932 off as not serious.  

        "Have a beginner's mind at all times, for a beginner knows nothing and learns all while a sophisticate knows all and learns nothing." - Suzuki

        by dolfin66 on Sat Sep 01, 2012 at 07:01:23 AM PDT

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    •  Economic downturns, with their shrinking (6+ / 0-)

      economic pie, bring out the worst in people.  Hate, fear and the search for scapegoats.

    •  Three years or more without work (3+ / 0-)
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      As the poet wrote . . .  
      "A lot of people don't have much food on their table / But they got a lot of forks 'n' knives / And they gotta cut something."

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