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  •  He still has Diebold (11+ / 0-)

    They could still "guarantee him Ohio" like they did for Bush in 2004. And there are plenty of Katherine Harris wannabes in the various states. Outright election theft is still in their bag of sleazy tricks. But they won't be able to do it unless the election is close. We need to GOTV and put it so far out of reach the Mittens weeps. Yup, I want to make a robot cry.

    Romney's religion is only an issue because he's a high priest in the Church of Mammon.

    by ontheleftcoast on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 10:22:12 AM PDT

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    •  Does Ohio use Diebold? (2+ / 0-)
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      Yeah, I know what happened in 2000 and 2004. But hyperbole aside, has Ohio changed its system? I know Florida counties use the scan system.

      •  They appear to have a mishmash of machines (2+ / 0-)
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        There is a law that says they should replace the early 2000's style machines but (wait for it...) there was insufficient funding for counties to actually make the changes. So that means many (I couldn't find the exact number) counties in OH are still using the old Diebold machines.

        Romney's religion is only an issue because he's a high priest in the Church of Mammon.

        by ontheleftcoast on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 10:29:54 AM PDT

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        •  here's the map per the SoS (1+ / 0-)
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          I eyeball 45 counties using the AccuVote-TSx touchscreen with paper trail -- just over half -- plus another two using Premier [formerly Diebold] scanners. Back in 2004, IIRC, few or no Ohio counties used Diebold touchscreens yet; most of the counties were on punch cards.

          Election protection: there's an app for that!
          Better Know Your Voting System with the Verifier!

          by HudsonValleyMark on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 12:56:09 PM PDT

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          •  Correct, HudsonValleyMark (2+ / 0-)
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            Which is why I wish people would stop flinging  the conspiracy theory poo. (Yes, I believe Ohio was stolen in 2004, but not the way people claim). We need to keep our eyes out for street-level tricks — preventing people from voting — not obsessing about voting machines. I am in Cuyahoga, by far and away the largest pool of Democratic votes in Ohio. We do not use touchscreens; we only used them in one election  (2006).

            Take the "Can't(or)" out of Congress. Support E. Wayne Powell in Va-07. http://www.ewaynepowell.com/

            by anastasia p on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 04:12:35 PM PDT

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            •  paradoxically, I spend a LOT of time (1+ / 0-)
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              on voting machine issues -- because the actual issues aren't trivial, and I don't want them to get totally buried in the CT. Jennifer Brunner did some great work on that front.

              I'm totally impressed with the improvements Cuyahoga County has made in elections in the last five or six years. Dunno if I made you sit through my rap on that before, and anyway, you probably could do it better than I do. ;)

              At least Ohio has a voter-verifiable paper record requirement. Better post-election audits are a work in progress.

              Election protection: there's an app for that!
              Better Know Your Voting System with the Verifier!

              by HudsonValleyMark on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 06:32:21 PM PDT

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      •  Not in Cuyahoga County (2+ / 0-)
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        which is the largest Dem voting county in the state.

        They temporarily pushed through touch screen voting machines several years ago, but the Dem county commissioners forced them to warehouse them due to their obvious flaws.  

        The Dem commissioners caught hell from the GOP for doing so and all were eventually run out of office through a GOP/corporation financed "reform" initiative that changed county government to a "county executive & county council" format.

        The touch screen machines were eventually sold to other states and we now have an optical scanner/hard copy ballot system.  

        "Mitt Romney is Dick Cheney with more charisma"

        by Betty Pinson on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 10:52:18 AM PDT

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      •  Most counties use optical scan (0+ / 0-)

        In 2004, it was a combo of optical scan with many counties still on punchcard, and almost NONE on touchscreens. Diebold no longer makes voting machinery. They spun off that division. But an overwhelming majority of Ohio uses paper ballots — just like in 2004. 2006 was our only widespread touchscreen election. Up here in Cuyahoga, it was the ONLY major touchscreen election. Those things are moldering in the warehouse on East 40th in Cleveland. I have pictures.

        Take the "Can't(or)" out of Congress. Support E. Wayne Powell in Va-07. http://www.ewaynepowell.com/

        by anastasia p on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 04:07:52 PM PDT

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    •  No no and NO (0+ / 0-)

      I am tempted to HR this, but Diebold had nothing, nada, zip, zero to do with what happened in Ohio in 2004. There was no "outright election theft" by Diebold. There was crafty PAPET BALLOT chicanery by elections officials, yes, but the main way it was stolen was by underallocating machines (a vast majority of them producing paper ballots) in certain areas and creating long lines so that many less afflluent people could not wait to vote.

      The reason I am so adamant about this now is that they can't use electronic tricks this time either — but they are in the process of trying to deploy another bagful of low-tech, human-based tricks. And these conspiracy theories are basically helping their cause by saying, "Don't look there —  look at this glamorous fiction instead."

      Take the "Can't(or)" out of Congress. Support E. Wayne Powell in Va-07. http://www.ewaynepowell.com/

      by anastasia p on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 04:05:48 PM PDT

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