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  •  this is true, and a problem for many of us (15+ / 0-)

    who aren't conservative.

    I have long posited that we are the true conservatives now.
    One of a thousand problems with the degeneration of the GOP into its current poisonous absurdity (theocratic Ayn Randians) is that it has pushed the Democratic Party far to the right. The front page here frequently celebrates the fact that many of Obama's positions are in fact positions developed or promoted by Republicans (Romneycare  / Obamacare being the great example, but the career of Tim Geithner being another), which everybody should find thoroughly depressing.
    •  Indeed I do. (8+ / 0-)

      We're ALL better off when we're ALL better off!

      by susanWAstate on Tue Sep 04, 2012 at 09:37:23 AM PDT

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    •  The Democrats aren't conservative (4+ / 0-)

      At the moment, the Democratic Party doesn't even have a coherent ideological foundation; its purpose is to attempt to represent the interests and ideas of everyone who isn't sociopathic, malevolent, or batshit fucking psycho. It basically invites anyone who's interested in any sort of legitimate problem-solving effort, regardless of ideological inclination.

      Of course, that doesn't eliminate the need for debate among the various ideologies; the debate and compromise process simply happens internally.

      So the result is a party with some conservative ideas (protect and restore assorted laws and regulations); some liberal ideas (universal healthcare, DADT repeal, the DREAM Act); some neoliberal ideas (private health insurance inclusion in UHC, free trade); and even some libertarian ideas (drug law reform, reproductive freedom, marriage equality). Nobody really agrees with the whole package.

      Basically, if you let Democrats run the country completely and totally unchecked, the result would be essentially what you would expect if we had a functioning representative democracy.

      "Let’s just move on, treat everybody with firmness, fairness, dignity, compassion and respect. Let’s be Marines." - Sgt. Maj Michael Barrett on DADT repeal

      by kyril on Tue Sep 04, 2012 at 12:29:05 PM PDT

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      •  "At the moment, the Democratic Party doesn't even (1+ / 0-)
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        have a coherent ideological foundation;"

        True.

        "It's purpose is to attempt to represent the interests and ideas of everyone who isn't sociopathic, malevolent, or batshit fucking psycho."

        False.  It's purpose is to get reelected, and it counts on the people you listed to help it.

        "Basically, if you let Democrats run the country completely and totally unchecked, the result would be essentially what you would expect if we had a functioning representative democracy."

        False again.  Unchecked, they would run amok, as much as any Republicans.

        It's going to be a full time job trying to get them to work for us.

        When banjos are outlawed, only outlaws will have banjos.

        by Bisbonian on Tue Sep 04, 2012 at 01:20:34 PM PDT

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      •  It wasn't all that long ago (2+ / 0-)

        that the idea of the Democrats as the big tent party was fairly novel, and worth celebrating. A big tent is how you get your party into power. But if your tent is so big that it's trying to simultaneously contain Louise Slaughter and Heath Shuler, Kirsten Gillibrand and Joe Manchin, you're no longer representing any defined ideology. You're the Sane Party, and your members will have very different, and divisive, ideas of what "sane" means.

        "The only thing we have to fear is fear itself."........ "The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little." (yeah, same guy.)

        by sidnora on Tue Sep 04, 2012 at 07:43:56 PM PDT

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