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  •  And yet (5+ / 0-)
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    Dumbo, WOIDgang, Nespolo, SherwoodB, commonmass

    4'33" taught me the value of silence in a contemporary setting, much like the eighth-note pauses at the very opening of Beethoven's Fifth Symphony do in a 19th century aesthetic.

    I'll never walk through a major city again without exploring the change in sound quality between a main road and a side street, or noticing when a jackhammer stops and there are a few seconds before the birds realize it's OK to chirp again. That is what Cage's work has shown me, as a performing musician.

    I'm wondering if perhaps you're not giving Cage enough credit for his mockery of the contemporary (that is, 1950s-era) classical music scene. Cage, Henry Cowell, Harry Partch- all those folks were well aware of the museum quality nature of classical music at the time and were not satisfied with it. I think John Cage very much despised the ritual of the concert hall, just like you (and I) do.

    •  Did you need a concert hall to learn that? (2+ / 0-)
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      x, commonmass

      I'm not trying to mock you by asking that.  
      What is it about a concert hall full of pretentious people in their best clothing and jewelry sitting in assigned seating watching a concertmaster in a tux on a stage, what does any of that have to do with music?

      Either 4'33 (sorry I called it 4'55 -- that is a new composition I'm going to copyright) is about the concert hall experience itself, mocking or drawing special attention to it, or it trades off the concert hall experience and its pretentious expectations in order to make itself taken more seriously.  In the sense that it's the latter, I'm offended.

      I don't really understand the need for the concert hall and the weekly local performance.  I can see why people would want it, but I don't see the great need of it.  To me, it's a distraction from the music.

    •  BTW, (0+ / 0-)

      the best recording by far is the original performance, which happened to be in an outdoor setting - in Woodstock, I think. The birds chirping in the background are definitely part of the piece...

      WOID: a journal of visual language

      by WOIDgang on Tue Sep 04, 2012 at 03:18:48 PM PDT

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