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  •  Great Speech. (0+ / 0-)

    I'm out.
    Votin' Green.
    A "grand bargain" in the lame duck raising the Medicare age to 67 would be "worrisome" for me and make a mockery of every speech delivered tonight.

    "...on the (catch a) human network. Cisco."

    by hoplite9 on Wed Sep 05, 2012 at 03:28:46 AM PDT

    •  Single issue voter, eh? (7+ / 0-)

      I guess if you were rich, you'd be voting for Romney, right?

      I happen to be voting for Obama, despite the fact that it will likely cost me a lot in taxes in the years to come. But my main consideration is what will be good for my children, my grandchildren, everybody else's children, and my country at large.

      Suit yourself. But from here, you seem to be looking at this election through a very narrow prism.

      •  Medicare is probably more (0+ / 0-)

        important to me than someone as well off as you. Killing of whole families by drones is kind of offensive to me. they killed an American citizen in Yemen. His son (also an American citizen was in Yemen looking for him. They killed him in a separate attack. Whether the son was involved in terrorism or simply looking for his dad (as claimed by the family) would have been best answered by a trial. But now it's too late. So much for making the world a better place. The Greens seem like a more straightforward, less conflicted party. What they praise in speeches they probably wouldn't give away in "grand bargains."

        "...on the (catch a) human network. Cisco."

        by hoplite9 on Wed Sep 05, 2012 at 04:22:45 AM PDT

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      •  If you think about money as a symbolic (0+ / 0-)

        representation of value, much as writing is a symbolic representation of speech, then the quantity used is largely irrelevant.  Yes, a few words can sometimes be more influential than a tome, but that's a matter of how the symbols are arranged.

        Just as words arranged as laws can be used to subjugate and intimidate other people, money can be used to deprive people of what they need to survive and thrive.  But the use of the tools of communication in that manner is abusive.
        Hoarding money is abusive.  While it is true that we can always make more, the hoarding is disruptive of trade and exchange and violates what the tool was invented for. Might as well deny people reading and writing skills.
        Even symbolic deprivation has real-life implications when symbol-using creatures are involved.

        We organize governments to provide benefits and prevent abuse.

        by hannah on Wed Sep 05, 2012 at 04:24:49 AM PDT

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    •  Every one has something that they wish (2+ / 0-)

      was different or better, me included.

      But this election is about much more than what I want.

      It is about the very survival of our Nation, our people, and yes, this beautiful blued world we call home.

      You're going to vote for a Green who has no chance of winning, thereby taking a vote away from President Obama and helping the Republicans, the very people who want to dismantle the Medicare Program you say you're so concerned about.

      By default, your vote for a Green helps the Party that wants to repeal the ACA that expands and strengthens Medicare

      You're going to throw away your vote, thereby helping Romney, a man who spent a good portion of his acceptance speech beating the drums for War with Iran. Yet, you express moral outrage about the use of drones in Afghanistan.

      You're protestations ring hollow. So does your moral outrage.  

      "Compassion is not weakness, and concern for the unfortunate is not socialism." Hubert H. Humphrey

      by Onomastic on Wed Sep 05, 2012 at 06:47:55 AM PDT

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