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  •  i read your diary and found it to be totally off (6+ / 0-)

    the mark - well, let's say, 95% off the mark.

    the crude example was presented in such a way that you didn't identify it as being from the 1800s, it was shock jock writing, imho.

    yes, those incidents DID happen - and racism still exists - but the real way to make this change is what is happening today.  if you have bothered to pay attention to what the theme of this convention is - you might have realized what is happening - effectively happening.

    the theme is going FORWARD - not backward.  those that live in the past without looking to the future get stuck there.  the ones who are crippled in this society are the ones who cannot move with the times.

    your view is one that is stuck in the past.  everyone can find horror stories about the 1800s, the 1900s and even the 21st century.  the real question is how we move forward, now how horrified we are so that we are stuck in the past.

    change.

    it has happened.

    it continues to happen.

    stringing together what is happening today with your little "sexual voyeurism" blockquote as an equivalent doesn't make your argument valid.

    frankly, you are doing more to drive away thinking people than drawing them in.

    drop the PETA tactics if you want to make your point relevant.

    •  truth telling is never out of style (2+ / 0-)
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      what did i write that is an inaccurate description of how white racial resentment, reactionary white populism, and "real America" mobilizes a not insignificant part of the white voting public?

      this passage stinks of white privilege and colorblind liberal racism:

      "the theme is going FORWARD - not backward.  those that live in the past without looking to the future get stuck there.  the ones who are crippled in this society are the ones who cannot move with the times.

      your view is one that is stuck in the past.  everyone can find horror stories about the 1800s, the 1900s and even the 21st century.  the real question is how we move forward, now how horrified we are so that we are stuck in the past."

      Sorry to be one of those negroes who is "stuck in the past" because the past influences the very present, and the racist ether that still poisons this country.

      I will simply not talk about such uncomfortable matters at the risk of offending good white folks. I will now go back to shuffling and looking at the ground when you pass by.

      •  You know (2+ / 0-)
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        This or similar points are frequently raised about your writing and they are always dismissed, much as many other claims of racism are when raised to the purveyors.  You might consider examining them first, before dismissing them.  Name calling and labelling just speaks of a level of discomfort on your part also.  There's plenty of that to go around for sure.

        Just two cents.  YMMV of course.

        Courtesy Kos. Trying to call on the better angels of our nature.

        by Mindful Nature on Wed Sep 05, 2012 at 02:22:19 PM PDT

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        •  chauncey has his shtick down pat. Pull up some (0+ / 0-)

          egregious description from decades or centuries ago and then pull this afflicted "step 'n fetchit" routine to make the commenter step back.

          chauncey, you can write standard English. You just pull out the 'negro' dialect because you cannot discuss what you want to say except as a charicature. And that is a failing only you can improve upon.

          I agree with edrie, btw.

          stringing together what is happening today with your little "sexual voyeurism" blockquote as an equivalent doesn't make your argument valid.

          frankly, you are doing more to drive away thinking people than drawing them in.

          Unless your aren't interested in the support of thinking people? You prefer your self-imposed victim status?

          As for the past influencing the present, probably. But unless you want to live in a society that considers skin color only above all else ALL THE TIME, do not get stuck there.

          "I believe more women should carry guns. I believe armed women will make the world a better place. Women need to come to think of themselves not as victims but as dangerous." Anna Pigeon

          by glorificus on Wed Sep 05, 2012 at 03:24:48 PM PDT

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          •  "negro dialect?" (2+ / 0-)
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            Be careful, your bigotry is showing.

            I can code switch, be jealous of the ability if you would like.

            "As for the past influencing the present, probably. But unless you want to live in a society that considers skin color only above all else ALL THE TIME, do not get stuck there."

            More white privilege and rage showing. Yikes. Relax.

          •  Well, I suppose that's one position (0+ / 0-)

            Personally, I find that Chauncey is one smart and thoughtful guy with whom I tend to disagree sharply on many issues.  one thing to keep in mind is that as a writer, the idea is to create a vivid image and impression, and here the inclusion makes his point in a very visceral way.  Now, I think his point goes astray, both in tone, and, as you suggest, generally from an overreliance on the sharp identity divisions.  (Actually, I think his thinking is a lot more nuanced than his boisterous writing suggests). As for the discussion of victim status, I think that's in some of the upper division courses not on offer at dailykos.

            Courtesy Kos. Trying to call on the better angels of our nature.

            by Mindful Nature on Wed Sep 05, 2012 at 03:52:28 PM PDT

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        •  we have chatted before (1+ / 0-)
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          I know where you stand and could care less.

          •  Yep (1+ / 0-)
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            glorificus

            That's the kind of unthinking response I suppose I should have expected, but was thinking otherwise.  

            Well, we all have our blindspots I suppose, and some of us are willing to look at them, and others of us are so self-certain of our own righteousness that to examine or even acknowledge them would be profoundly threatening to our identities.

            Courtesy Kos. Trying to call on the better angels of our nature.

            by Mindful Nature on Wed Sep 05, 2012 at 03:53:55 PM PDT

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