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  •  But don't you think other factors are at play? (0+ / 0-)

    The yahoo article mentions several factors that contributed to this decision. Canadian issues. No doubt part of the calculation involves Israeli angles. But Israel as the only factor in this? That's to say Canada is little more than a marionette.

    •  Canada IS little more than a marionette. (0+ / 0-)

      You just need to look at Canada's foreign policies, economic policies and environmental policies. Harper is firmly in the pockets of the multinational corporations and works in lock step with them.

      BTW, Harper's actions at the Summit of the Americas shows that he is little more than America's sled dog. Only his government would have thrown Cuba under the bus.

      •  "Canada is a marionette" (1+ / 0-)
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        Now you've lost me.

      •  be careful with that M-word: it's very much like.. (0+ / 0-)

        ... language used by vicious anti-Semites, in the context of "Teh Jews are pulling everyone's strings" and all that.  

        I don't think that's what you meant at this point, but it might be used by bigots to justify themselves ("look, he said it upthread!").

        "Minus two votes for the Democrat" equals "plus one vote for the Republican." Arithmetic doesn't care about your feelings.

        by G2geek on Fri Sep 07, 2012 at 10:53:35 AM PDT

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        •  You are right. I didn't mean that it was Israel (1+ / 0-)
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          that was pulling Canada's strings. It is Harper that is doing it in the service of the corporatist's as well as in conforming to the foreign policies of the US and Israel.

          Canada used to be very independent of both these countries. Now it functions in lock step.

    •  That depends (0+ / 0-)

      Other factors as cover, or other factors that they used to arrive at this policy?

      This is Harper we're talking about. He made up his mind on this a long time ago.

      The world is full of Kings and Queens who'll blind your eyes and steal your dreams. - RJD(RIP)

      by Darkvisitor on Fri Sep 07, 2012 at 10:18:17 AM PDT

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      •  That does not mean the only word in his mind is (0+ / 0-)

        "Israel"

        •  That wasn't me (1+ / 0-)
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          I'm just pointing out that Harper's positions have been clear for a long time.

          He certainly supports Israel. He doesn't hide that at all.

          But he also wants to be an international player. And he's got a Putin streak.

          Other news - an auditor has been hired for Harper's F-35 program.

          Add it all together....

          The world is full of Kings and Queens who'll blind your eyes and steal your dreams. - RJD(RIP)

          by Darkvisitor on Fri Sep 07, 2012 at 10:32:14 AM PDT

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          •  I know it wasn't you. If you do not agree I misrea (1+ / 0-)
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            Add it all together....
            Add it all together and there is a PM juggling the policy needs of his country. As opposed to a puppet on a string, say.

            As for the F-35:

            Explain exactly what is sinister about a nation with the second largest airspace on Earth seeking to replace 103 aircraft built 25 to 30 years ago with 65 aircraft of more modern design, capability, and three decades less wear? Especially when the lifetime of said procurement project spans the terms in office of several PMs.

            •  Some clarity on what I was saying (2+ / 0-)
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              Harper is certainly not a puppet. He doesn't have to be. He shares the same worldview of a lot of the same people who are pushing for a war with Iran, but that doesn't make him a puppet.

              What I was saying is that this move is completely within character for Harper. As I said above, with this move he gets to support Israel, make a noticeable (right-wing) move on the international stage, and he gets to puff out his chest.

              As for the F-35? I personally think it's a waste of money. The whole process has been filled with scandals and lies.

              This new development just gives the process a little more push. That's the only point I was making there. It's just a little added bonus for him.

              Update the military? You bet. Just do it in a way that actually makes sense for our country, and in an open and transparent manner. No lies about cost, or sole source bids, or deciding what you want before the whole process even starts. Those are all Conservative developments btw.

              The world is full of Kings and Queens who'll blind your eyes and steal your dreams. - RJD(RIP)

              by Darkvisitor on Fri Sep 07, 2012 at 11:25:23 AM PDT

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              •  Very interesting. (1+ / 0-)
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                Thanks very much. I agree the PM sounds like he is naturally hawkish on Iran and staunchly backs Israel. I just don't like seeing leaps taken to the next level, that there's nothing else at work than a hawkish desire for war. There's a few step in between.

                Both the F-22 and the F-35 programs have had had a lot of criticism but I was unaware of the specific criticism of the Canadian side of the project. I'm sure there's much to criticize. But again lets explore the intermediate steps.

                I appreciate these these insights. I keep falling short of my goal to better educate myself on Canadian politics.

                Bottom line for me is this. A Canadian diplomatic move designed to pressure Iran is the alternative option to the military strike. People who do not want to see such a strike (comme moi) should be encouraged to see Canada add heft to the diplomatic option.

                When viewed through the prism of adding diplomatic heft against the economic base (Syria + Iran) which is propping up the Assad regime, it seems even more encouraging. The base propping up Assad is under strain. This adds just a bit more to that strain.

            •  F-35 attack aircraft are completely useless in (0+ / 0-)

              in enforcing Canada's sovereignty in the north or on either coast.

        •  Israel's relationship with Iran is the (0+ / 0-)

          "Casus belli" for Harper's actions against Iran.

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