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  •  Six years longer than you (0+ / 0-)

    I know it is costly to oppose public unions on this site, but I have been here a lot longer than you (2004 vs 2010), and I have worked in every democratic  campaign since McCarthy.

    Religion gives men the strength to do what should not be done.

    by bobtmn on Sat Sep 08, 2012 at 05:50:54 PM PDT

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    •  Way to support your base then. (1+ / 0-)
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      Mostel26

      Note the sarcasm.

      Question: what recourse does a union have if management refuses to bargain in good faith if they can not strike?

      Also, why the fixation on "pocketbooks"? Note that CTU is pushing for class size limits, social workers, music and art for kids. That's a benefit for kids, not pocketbooks.

      Where it impacts pocketbooks is that at the table management will say that in order to do any of these teachers have to pass up a raise - for the kids of course. People like Rahm then spin this in the public to pit teachers vs. kids when the opposite is the reality.

      For example, why are you not arguing that Rahm should reform TIF districts that divert tax dollars to profitable corporations instead of schools? CTU is highlighting this issue, but to you its just the "pocketbooks" you care about.

      Imagination is more important than knowledge. Albert Einstein

      by michael in chicago on Sat Sep 08, 2012 at 06:21:35 PM PDT

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    •  So public workers don't dserve representation? (1+ / 0-)
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      Is that it? It's a public vs. private thing with you?

      A worker is someone who trades their skill for a wage. You are saying some workers deserve someone to represent them, but other workers should be on their own?

      Exactly why doesn't a teacher deserve a group to fight for their workplace rights?

      •  I am anti-monopoly (0+ / 0-)

        Because teachers perform a universal public service, and there is no effective competition, they represent a monopoly.  Monopoly power is wrong, and needs to be controlled.

        Private sector unions were, and are a powerful force  to balance worker demands with capital demands for profit.  

        Private sector workers have power because they restrict the profit that can be claimed by the owners.  Public sector workers have power because they can restrict the services provided to the people, and can organize to support the political party and people that will do them the most good.    

        The AFL/CIO supported Scott Brown in Massachusetts.  Why should ANY Democrat support such fickle allies?  Public sector unions are self interested allies.

        There is no net profit in public service.  That's why I favor delivering public service through the government rather than the private sector.

        However, when increased public services results in increasing the power of the people who deliver it, there is a point when public service will exist to serve the public worker, rather than the public welfare.   We are not at that point yet, like we are with military, agriculture and security spending.

        Public sector workers should organize with private sector workers.   They should not be allowed to negotiate for benefits that are greater than people doing similar work in the private sector.  

        Religion gives men the strength to do what should not be done.

        by bobtmn on Sun Sep 09, 2012 at 06:30:36 AM PDT

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