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  •  I come from NJ, where I have spent most (10+ / 0-)

    of my adult life. We are a big donor state. For every one dollar we pay in federal taxes, we get back $.60. I understand that the red states are poorer and have higher numbers of uninsured. However, there are days that I think that we live in two different countries. Here in NJ we spend a lot of money on education, but we have great public schools. I remember looking at some data last year. Our local public high school outperformed all but one high school in the state of GA, and that was a magnet science high school. It is hard for me to watch my money go to folks who don't believe in evolution and talk about the "war of northern aggression." I know this sounds horrible, but there are some days that I think that the biggest mistake Lincoln made was not letting the south go. When I see restrictive voter legislation, it's like seeing Jim Crow and poll taxes all over again. Why should I make it easier for the red states to elect the likes of Haley Barbour and Nikki Haley?

    •  BJM, (8+ / 0-)

      as I argue above, there is not a state in the former Confederacy that's not at least 40 pct Democrat, and all of them are trending bluer every day.  Even Mississippi.  It is a fact of demographic life.  Don't forget the millions and millions of liberal and moderate Southerners including quite a few people of color.  

      Still enjoying my stimulus package.

      by Kevvboy on Sun Sep 09, 2012 at 05:00:25 PM PDT

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    •  Gov. Cartman will make us Louisiana (0+ / 0-)

      without jazz or gumbo.

      so, wait a little while and that problem will go away on it's own

      It's not a fake orgasm; it's a real yawn.

      by sayitaintso on Sun Sep 09, 2012 at 05:05:24 PM PDT

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    •  Small historical note: (0+ / 0-)

      One of the reasons not to let the Confederacy leave was that slavery was by no means confined to those states.  In fact, Missouri almost left as well, and Kentucky ended up with two governments, a secessionist one that voted to leave, and a Unionist one  (That's why there are 13 stars on Confederate flags--- they count MO and KY).  

      In addition, Maryland and Delaware were slave states, and if everyone else could leave, they would have too.  Well maybe not Delaware, which was phasing out slavery, but MD would have eventually left.  

      Then there were the territories.  Kansas had served as a prelude to the war as pro- and anti-slavery forces fought to game the referendum on the matter (the anti-slavery forces were much worse, fwiw).  Arizona and New Mexico were slated to be slave states eventually, and many Indians in Indian Territory had borrowed the plantation system,  Black slaves and all, from their white neighbors before removal.   Most Indian nations in the future OK, as sovereigns, elected to fight with the Confederacy.  The territories were fought over, and held by the rebels for a while.

      All that to say, just letting the eleven seceders go would have been the start of a lot more problems, even at the time.  

      Conservatives need to realize that their Silent Moral Majority is neither silent, nor moral, nor a majority.

      by nominalize on Sun Sep 09, 2012 at 06:13:05 PM PDT

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