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  •  I like Obama better (6+ / 0-)

    I relate to him more. He's more like me.

    Take the "Can't(or)" out of Congress. Support E. Wayne Powell in Va-07.

    by anastasia p on Sat Sep 08, 2012 at 12:20:06 PM PDT

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    •  I'm gonna take a wild guess.... (2+ / 0-)
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      You're also much younger than me.  ;-)

      •  I'm probably as old or older than you, and (2+ / 0-)
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        Obama has a certain charm that Bubba's accentuated accent lacks. He seems more genuine.

        However, given the charade that is politics, I could well be wrong.

        •  They are two completely different people (5+ / 0-)
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          A lot of Clinton's charm is an affect. I think he's incredibly good at talking to folks who don't trust the government, folks who feel left out. He's mesmerizing if you already agree with his beliefs. He's also the best at roasting his enemies without looking snide or small. That is because, what is always implicit in every speech he gives is that he believes it's a game, and he treats it as such. So do the majority of Americans.

          Obama is completely different. Obama is better at anyone, even Reagan, at looking like a true outsider. Like someone who realized a long time ago that being president would give him the most power to make real change, but who hates the game. It's not that Obama thinks he's above the game. He just seems to be genuinely annoyed by it. Hillary Clinton sometimes seems that way as well. This is why Obama seems so real: he reflects the way so many of us who are not politicians feel about politics - that it's quite silly at times and a distraction from what really needs to be fixed.

          All in all, Bill Clinton is fun, and I adored his speech. It really did make me feel wonderful.

          But Obama did something else. He made me feel like I needed to take responsibility for my own citizenship. He didn't just say, "All you have to do is vote for me, and things will be better."

          I don't watch television, so I don't know if any pundits are talking about this, but Obama's speech showed an amazing faith in the American public. It was a serious gamble, which, I think, will have massive repercussions on our future depending on whether or not he wins or loses. He didn't talk down to us. He didn't talk over and over about how wrong the Republicans are. And he didn't lie and say that he had a plan that would fix everything.

          He talked about what a terrible burden being president has been for him (that Lincoln quote brought me to tears), and that he knew that so many Americans were experiencing a terrible burden as well with this economy. He told us that we are all in this together, that it is a shared burden, and that only together will we make it through.

          Over a decade ago, I had the pleasure of seeing a play called "Six Dance Lessons in Six Weeks" with Uta Hagen and David Hyde Pierce. I became fascinated with Uta Hagen after that and read the books she wrote about acting. In one of her books, she talked about the distance between good acting and great acting.

          She said that she performed this one very tragic scene where she gives an emotional speech and then walks out at the end. The first time she performed, she gives an almost overemotional speech full of pain and righteousness, and then storms out at the end, slamming the door behind her. She wrote that it brought the house down with people cheering wildly for her. Then she tried the scene again with quiet reserve, and the audience was dead silent, but many were crying when she quietly walked out. She noticed that she got more favorable reviews for the latter.

          In my mind, that is the difference between Clinton and Obama. Clinton makes us all cheer and feel like we saw a great performance, while Obama makes us feel and sympathize with the pain of life, while making us realize that we are not alone.

          Time is of no account with great thoughts, which are as fresh to-day as when they first passed through their authors' minds ages ago. - Samuel Smiles

          by moviemeister76 on Sat Sep 08, 2012 at 08:58:51 PM PDT

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          •  In politics, as in life, how does one separate (2+ / 0-)
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            the act from the genuine? I think both men have generally benevolent politics, but that both would not be where they are without having made some serious compromises with both the truth and their associations.

            There are errs of omission and commission.

            •  That's definitely true (1+ / 0-)
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              I think we all realize that it's impossible to get to the top without making compromises that would make us all sick.

              Time is of no account with great thoughts, which are as fresh to-day as when they first passed through their authors' minds ages ago. - Samuel Smiles

              by moviemeister76 on Sat Sep 08, 2012 at 10:03:50 PM PDT

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          •  I think the difference (1+ / 0-)
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            between Obama and Clinton is that if Obama gets his second term he will go down in history as a transformational president.
            During the Clinton presidency we saw the end of Glass-Steagall, welfare reform, DADT, NAFTA. Most of the financial prosperity was generated by the internet bubble.
            Don't get me wrong, I loved his speech, and I think he was an amazingly hard working, intelligent president. But I believe in Obama.

            I think what Obama and the democratic party have learned, is that you get bi-partizanship out of republicans not by negotiating with them, but by whipping up the base.

            Another term will give Obama a chance to fully implement the ACA. ACA is very much like the healthcare system, we have in the Netherlands. Obama even mentioned our healthcare system, during the early stages of the debate. I don't believe it is the best system, but it delivers affordable, universal healthcare in my country.

            I love that Obama is owning ObamaCare. If it is succesfully implemented, healthcare will forever be linked to his presidency.

            •  We shall see (1+ / 0-)
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              Clinton is probably pretty thankful that he was followed by Bush. That and his own charisma are pretty much the only reasons he is so very popular. The stuff Clinton did in his second term, when he didn't have to worry about another election, was so terrible. And I don't see why he's so proud of his welfare reform. It's done terrible damage to the poor in this country.

              I do have more faith that Obama won't make the same mistake Clinton did. Most people don't remember that even Paul Krugman was behind most of the stuff that went down in the late 90s. They were all so incredibly arrogant and foolish.

              Time is of no account with great thoughts, which are as fresh to-day as when they first passed through their authors' minds ages ago. - Samuel Smiles

              by moviemeister76 on Sun Sep 09, 2012 at 09:57:48 AM PDT

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