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  •  From the Thinkprogress link: (10+ / 0-)
    Earlier today, ThinkProgress published an exclusive report that the law firm representing the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, a right-wing trade association representing big business, is working with set of “private security” companies and lobbying firms to undermine their political opponents, including ThinkProgress. According to e-mails obtained by ThinkProgress, the Chamber hired the lobbying firm Hunton and Williams. Attorneys for the firm solicited a set of private security firms — HBGary Federal, Palantir, and Berico Technologies (collectively called Team Themis) — to develop a sabotage campaign against progressive groups and labor unions, including ThinkProgress, the labor coalition Change to Win, SEIU, US Chamber Watch, and StopTheChamber.com.
    This stuff matters.  I'm grateful that there are activists who expose this kind of creepy smearing and I think Anon and Project PM and others are putting themselves on the line for us. (Full disclosure: I know nothing about either group except obliquely as presented in diaries or news items). I may differ with some activists on issues politically but this kind of swift boating endangers a free society. Even if an activist is able to successfully fight a fraud charge, it is time consuming, expensive, distracting, and effectively neutralizing.  

    Thanks for sharing this, Barrett. I don't read everything on this site but I haven't seen any crusty grammarians putting out diaries on this issue yet, and I think it's an important one.  It surprises me that more Kossacks haven't picked up on this.

    I realize that members of this site prefer adherence to writing conventions and uniformity in presentation and style, but I don't think discourse needs to be confined to a particular comfortable and limited form to be valid. Folks, this diarist is a self reported anarchist. Think about that. It's logical that the free form of his diaries reflects that ideology.  Take what you need and leave the rest.  Skim faster.  Skip it altogether.

    I'm frustrated at times that progressive voices on this site are marginalized by pedantic policing for proper posting.  

    •  Thank you very much for this *nt* (2+ / 0-)
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      •  You are welcome. (2+ / 0-)
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        I hope you don't get so annoyed by the baiting that you abandon us altogether.  I can see why you are less inclined to please after the reception your extensively rewritten piece received. I thought it was quite acceptable by community standards, and people still focused on minutia.

        I suspect some of the comments you have received in the diaries I have read are calculated to discredit the issues you bring up by deflecting attention onto your writing style, and since you seem quick-tempered, to goad you into lashing out at the community, further deflecting attention from the issues.  

        Please consider how effective that can be in social media, where people are limited in time and experience.  It's not just you either; I think I see it at times in other diaries on this site as well.

        •  I will post info here till I'm banned (1+ / 0-)
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          Any day now, hopefully!

          But watch for something called the "pursuance system" in about 3 months or so. Hope to see you there. Follow me at @BarrettBrownLOL on Twitter for updates and also explanatory documentation in hopefully less than a week. Thanks again for your support, please send the info on this and NYT (all up on Cryptome.org) to whichever bloggers, journalists you think might be most likely to use and understand it.

    •  Can you point to a sentence in this diary (9+ / 1-)

      that contains information?

      Barrett Brown sends:

      This is the kind of thing that interests this fucking prosecutor after

      HBGary caught going after journalists, me, Anonymous, Greenwald, etc.

      *

      Patrick: How is it that Think Progress is reporting that the Chamber
      of Commerce dug up info on Velvet Revolution -- yet we only see
      e-mails about Brad Friedman and not about his partner, convicted
      bomber Brett Kimberlin?
       me: Velvet Revolution?
      11:41 PM You and I may use differing terminology
        I don't read Think PRess as they get their info from us
       Patrick: It's almost as if Think Progress didn't publish the e-mails
      about Kimberlin that certainly were sent
       me: Nor am I a liberal, remember
        one sec
        I should note that we've been going over tens of thousands of e-mails
        plus docs that Barr wanted to sell to FBI, with my name in them
       Patrick: Velvet Revolution is the organization that Brad Friedman set
      up with convicted bomber Brett Kimberlin
       me: who's this person?
      11:42 PM oic
        I'll make sure it's run
        give me a summary, plz?
        Then I'll go through raws and find it all
       Patrick: I have written about Kimberlin
       me: You know we have an app up by which you can search through all
      the e-mails, right?
        anonleaks.ru
        it goes up and down
        we're building mirrors
        I'll tell you, though
       Patrick: http://patterico.com/....
      buddy-a-convicted-bomber-perjurer-and-drug-smuggler-suspected-murderer-
      and-election-integrity-hero/
      11:43 PM me: that I spoke to Tom Callamore on Friday
        of the Chamber
        and spoke to Aaron Barr on Sunday, right after we jacked his info
      and took over HBGary's server
        neither did very well
      11:44 PM okay, so Kilberlin is a terrorist
        and Brad...
        okay, how does this involve Chamber?
      11:45 PM As I said, I've been kind of busy with the conspiracy against
      Greenwald, Wikileaks, and me and my friends
       Patrick: Think Progress says they were gathering info on Friedman
       me: the one done by federal contractors
        does this info come from our heist?
       Patrick: Yes
       me: Ok
        who do these people work for, one of the firms?
       Patrick: These people? Friedman?
      11:46 PM me: Yeah, who's Brad Friedman?
        I've got a cast of characters here about a hundred strong
        and like I said
        we're kind of at war
        so I don't know who this is
        to put it another way
        did you do a piece on Greenwald?
       Patrick: http://thinkprogress.org/....
        No
       me: You know, this campaign to commit crimes in order to destroy him?
      11:47 PM ok
       Patrick: I know very little about it
       me: but you want ThinkProgress to cover certain things?
        Maybe you should read some different venues
        Greenwald's a friend
       Patrick: They're going to cover what they cover
       me: and even if he weren't
        yeah, same with you
        right?
        Like, I can give you scoops
        I've been handing them out like candy to Bloomberg et al
        Some of these might even help conservatives
      11:48 PM Speaking of which
        We're going after Chavez soon
        You guys really should consider working with us
       Patrick: Feels too . . . illegal
       me: Anonymous is an anarcho-libertarian movement to the extent that
      it has politics
        lol
        Would you be willing to work with Chamber of Commerce?
        cause they do illegal shit, too
      11:49 PM Except they do it to those who've done nothing except for
      present opinions
       Patrick: Maybe not, depending on what they were doing
       me: whereas we do it to people who try to wrongly accuse people to the FBI
        I'm assuming you have'nt seen my Guardian piece?
        on why we do what we do?
        Or the Bloomberg piece on us?
       Patrick: The only thing that got my attention about all this was the
      angle having to do with the convicted bomber
        Nope
       me: I'll bet
       Patrick: But send the links
      11:50 PM me: Look
        We're seriously at war here
       Patrick: I have limited time and my own reasons -- the bomber has
      threatened a lawsuit against me. That tends to get your attention
       me: Yeah, and I've got the feds after me
       Patrick: He has done much else as well
        Yup
        So that has your attention
       me: plus several security firms with NSA ties
        yes, but we're still on Tunisia
        and Egypt
      11:51 PM the latter, no thanks to the folks who have decided that
      Muslim Brotherhood is behind this
        If you look
        You'll see that I called Egypt
        before it began
        the reason is
        that we have good intel
        and of course are involved
        so, regarding those of your friends who are going with MB angle on Egypt
      11:52 PM I'd ask them to show where they've gotten results in terms of
      predictions, etc
        I work directly with Egyptian protest leaders
        I didn't use to talk about this shit because no one was going to
      believe me anyway
        Sorry, I don't mean to be standoffish
        We've just had a busy week
        Now, as for Friedman
      11:53 PM Patrick: Interesting
       me: can you summarize who he is, etc?
        If you can
        I'll put some people on it
        Do you know much about Anon?
       Patrick: Professes to be an "election integrity" guy.
       me: oic
        love those types
        they were popular in Nicaragua, lol
      11:54 PM as P.J. O'Rourke noted back when he was good
       Patrick: No, don't do anything with him
        Christ
       me: No, I'm kidding
        wait, what?
        Maybe you should call me
       Patrick: OK, jokes don't always translate on chat
       me: 512-560-2302
       Patrick: Anyway, he is partnered with a convicted bomber
       me: okay
       Patrick: Who wants to sue me
       me: so is Obama
      11:55 PM Patrick: Not business partners
       me: ?
        oh
        And this is all in the public record, right?
       Patrick: Friedman is the guy who credits himself with revealing that
      the ACORN videos were supposedly a hoax
        Yes
        I fought him on it
        He and Kimberlin have tried to get me fired
      11:56 PM me: okay
        for what are they suing you?
        or trying to?
       Patrick: Written numerous posts distorting the facts
       me: libel or some shit?
       Patrick: For writing about the fact that Kimberlin is a convicted bomber
        Yes, libel
       me: I imagine it's bullshit, right?
       Patrick: Kimberlin has called my office and claimed I am stalking him
        complete and utter bullshit
       me: heh
        that's a funny way to go about it
      11:57 PM Patrick: Friedman's association with Kimberlin discredits him
      when people find out who Kimberlin is
        So they try to squash it
        I'm quite sure the Chamber was interested in Kimberlin if they were
      interested in Friedman
        So Think Progress portrays Brad as a victim
        But not a word about Kimberlin
        Which I found interesting
       me: I see
       Patrick: Anyway, the search engine is what I was looking for
      11:58 PM me: Do you know what Chamber was trying to do via those other firms?
       Patrick: Not really
       me: HBGary, etc?
        Okay
       Patrick: Nope
       me: here
        http://www.youtube.com/....
        two minutes
       Patrick: The Think Progress piece sounded to me like they were
      gathering social media intel
      11:59 PM me: heh
        no
        I have all the e-mails
        some of which are public, some of which I'm still going through
        they wanted to release a fake document in such a way as that the
      unions or some such would obtain it
        and run it
        rather, just watch this clip
        from Friday
      12:00 AM Patrick: Oh, I think I did see something about that. Yeah,
      that's despicable
       me: at any rate, I've never talked to Think Progress
        been working with Bloomberg
        NYT
        al-JAzeera
        others
        some Japanese TV show
      12:01 AM we made the first round of e-mails available for download
      first night we got em
        and then media started going through
        the thing is
        there are a lot of stories here
        like, a lot
        touching on NSA and whatnot
        I spoke to NSA lady a few days back
        regarding Stuxnet
        which, thanks to the incompetence of the federal contractor crowd
        we now have
      12:02 AM bottom line is
        we're at war
        burt
        but
        I've split my own org into two
        one faction stays with me
        the other goes with one of our tops guys and continues overt,
      respectable, non-illegal ops
        you might look into it at some point
      12:03 AM they're trying to build secular, liberty-oriented
      institutions in Tunisia, etc
        meanwhile
        I'm in talks with the fellow who wrote Nepal's constitution
        about creating a framework for Tunisia
        which I guess is now a confirmed operation although of course this
      is in early stages
      12:04 AM Jenik Radon is the fellow
        this is off the record for now, btw
        so
        If you have any interest in joining the team
        let me know
        if you need to verify this stuff
        talk to Barry Eisler
      12:05 AM ex-CIA directorate of operations fellow
       Patrick: I am firmly against doing anything illegal, just so you and
      the FBI agents monitoring this chat know
       me: now a novelist, commentator
        heh
        like I said
        well, should also note I'm not a hacker
        certainly people within state of California engage in crimes?
        as in, employees
        cops, etc
        obstruction
        but you're not a criminal
        neither am I
       Patrick: Yes. I prosecute them if the crimes are bad enough
       me: and as I said
      12:06 AM of course
        anywho, there are a lot of options, totally legal and overt
        and the constitution thing
        might be up your alley
       Patrick: Fair enough. Too busy to make much of it now, but thanks for the offer
       me: Okay, thanks for considering
        now, regarding Friedman
      12:07 AM you want us to look through e-mails for that?
      12:08 AM Patrick: For what?
       me: I don't know, why'd you come to me on this again?
      12:09 AM Patrick: Actually, pretty much to ask what you told me: is
      there some place on the Web where all this shit is?
       me: ah, yes
        as I said
       Patrick: Because I figure they looked into Kimberlin if they looked
      into Friedman
       me: anonleaks.ru is shaky
      12:10 AM was up all week but been up and down depending on one's location today
        if you have problems, let me know
        and I'll see what else is available
        we actually have a much better version going up soon
        trying to find a server for it
       Patrick: Also: Think Progress makes it sound like Friedman's home
      address was disclosed. They redact it. But Friedman posts an address
      on his own damn site that looks like a home address -- a place to send
      checks. I wanted to see if that is the address they got
      12:11 AM me: ah
        yeah, you can see raws via that site
        I never download the file itself
        as I'm on shitty connection at the moment
       Patrick: I'm doing a search and not finding this stuff
      12:12 AM me: try a sample search real quick
        look up Endgame
        I mean, are any searches working?
       Patrick: Yes
       me: okay
       Patrick: Maybe I'm just using it wrong
       me: are you sure these come from us?
      12:13 AM our stuff was extracted from HBGary servers
        includes messages from other folks only to the extent that they were
      e-mailing HBGary folks
       Patrick: When I put in "bradley louis friedman los angeles" I get
      e-mails that do not have those terms
       me: or Aaron Barr himself, as we got all his e-mails
        oh
        I'd just search Friedman
        try that
       Patrick: I put that in because Think Progress listed that as his name
      and location
       me: tell me what happens
      12:14 AM wait, give me link to ThinkProgress piece?
       Patrick: Yeah, but there are 63 results
       me: let me make sure these are ours
        you know that to the extent you look around
       Patrick: I think I gave it to you up the chat thread, no?
       me: you'll find incredible scoops, right?
        lemme see
      12:15 AM Patrick: Maybe not
       me: k
        got it
        okay, so Think Progress redacted the info for the guy's partner
      12:16 AM Patrick:
      http://thinkprogress.org/....
       me: this is partner as in gay lover?
       Patrick: Don't think so
       me: yeah, I got it, you did give it earlier
        so what you're saying is that Think Progress intentionally avoided
      using the name?
       Patrick: I think it's for his "life partner" which is different from
      Kimberlin, his business partner
       me: of the bomb enthusiast?
       Patrick: Right
       me: ok
      12:17 AM Patrick: Who set off bombs and blew off a guy's leg
        More than an enthusiast
        Which guy later killed himself
       me: yeah, I was being wry, it's very sad
      12:18 AM much sadder than anything that hurts conservatives, of course
        lol
        anyway
        frankly, I can see why
        as an editorial decision
        they would keep the info out of the story
        even without knowing who the guy is
       Patrick: Sure
        Doesn't help their cause
       me: your background is in law, I guess?
        not media
        or
        it could be what you're saying
      12:19 AM there's not going to be any way to prove it by seeing the e-mails
        unless I'm missing something
       Patrick: They want to make the Chamber look bad. If the Chamber was
      gathering info on one of these people being a convicted bomber, that
      doesn't help
       me: well
        right now, Pat
       Patrick: Well, if they redacted Brad's address which he puts himself
      on his site, it makes him less of a martyr
       me: the Chamber is known to have looked at gathering intel on people's children
      12:20 AM Patrick: It didn't look that way to me
       me: it's not like they said, "Oh, just this one guy who bombed someone"
        Yeah, but you're not capable of making that call yet
        You haven't been going through these e-mails and drafts for a week
       Patrick: It looked like they got info on a Chamber guy's children to
      show how easy it is
       me: lololololol
        no, it doesn't
        You need to do your homework on this one
        I'll show you in a second
      12:21 AM Chamber wasn't trying to show everyone that they need to be careful
        for instance
        they weren't going to leak that document in order to make the union look bad
        just to show how easy it is
        or, contrarily
        we just hacked into those people's servers in order to show how easy it is
        in which case, yeah, I love your take and I'd love you to defend us
      12:22 AM oolooolooololololl
        seriously, though
        need to read the e-mails
        HBGary specialized in certain things
        as did their NSA-affiliated buddies
        among those things
       Patrick: Hahahaha
       me: were trying to break into Greenwald's financial records
       Patrick: Found it
      12:23 AM me: ah, did you?
        on anonleaks.ru?
       Patrick: Kimberlin is mentioned in the same fucking e-mail
       me: well, there you go!
        aren't you glad we're out there doing our thing?
        don't tell me you're not having fun right now
        you are
      12:24 AM it's fun as shit
        and now you've got your story
       Patrick: Thanks for that link
        Give me the stuff about what they have been doing
       me: oh, happy to give it out, I assure you
        who?
      12:25 AM chamber?
       Patrick: So I can do my homework
        Yes
       me: K
        but they're not the most interesting ones
        just the most high-profile
        what you want to look at
        oh, also
       Patrick: I only want links to things that are out there on the Internet
       me: of course
       Patrick: Remember, FBI agents, I don't commit crimes!
       me: http://www.mediafire.com/....
      12:26 AM heh
        I can tell you that Bloomberg et al are using stuff that's not out there
        we give out favors, remember
        we love our friends in the business press
        but listen to that recording
        before you look into the rest
        will give you an overview of how this went down and why
        I'll tell you something else funny
      12:27 AM we got into all of Aaron Barr's accounts due to him using
      same passwords on all of them
        except
        EXCEPT
        for his World of Warcraft account.
        he kept that secure
        otherwise I'd be playing his character right now
      12:28 AM also
        when you put up your story
        give me link
        and I'll shoot it around
      12:29 AM Patrick: Big Media publishes all sorts of classified and
      other illegal shit that a) they shouldn't and b) I wouldn't dare
       me: true
       Patrick: As engaging as I find you, I'm not sure we see eye to eye on hacking
       me: well
        I'm not a hacker
        let's put it this wway
        I come from a military family
      12:30 AM mostly air force
        mostly bombers, up until 80s
        they all blew up children in fighting fascism and communism
        I just help hackers hack things to fight corruption
        it's all, like, RELATIVE, man. You're just too, like, ESTABLISHMENT, maaaan.
      12:31 AM srsly though
        hacking is a very small part of what we do
        Anon is chaning
        we're into nation-building now
      12:32 AM Patrick: I am indeed too establishment, I'll grant you
       me: lol
        I'm kidding
       Patrick: I never wear beanies, for example
       me: my second in command is a retired gov't lawyer
      12:33 AM dude, I only wear polo shirts
        I went to school with Bush kids
        all the conservatives have me all wrong
       Patrick: YOU WEAR A BEANIE. I'VE SEEN IT
       me: oh, that
      12:34 AM well
        I wear ralph lauren jackets with it
        also it's a running gag with Diary of Daedalus
        before I befriended that tribe
        they talked about my hair a lot
      12:35 AM but it's mainly because it's actually snowing in Dallas
        and I'm not big on that shit
        you lose most heat through your head
        and feet
      12:36 AM also
        anything interesting happen in blogosphere lately?
        fights, drama, etc?
        Goldstein?
       Patrick: Nah
      12:37 AM me: if he ever fucks with you again
        I'll give you certain e-mails
        lol
       Patrick: As long as they're not hacked!
       me: heh
       Patrick: We did get into again somewhat recently
        Maybe a month ago?
      12:38 AM me: lol bout what?
       Patrick: Charles Johnson was lying about me to try to get people to
      threaten my job
       me: oh, I saw that
       Patrick: I noted that it was not the first time someone had done that
      to me and referenced Goldstein obliquely
       me: he lies about me too now
       Patrick: He went apeshit
        So I proved it
       me: really?
      12:39 AM so Goldstein took time off from work to attack you, eh?
       Patrick: He likes to pretend I went after him on Google and he never did
       me: he'll fight you
        he wrestles
        by my count, he's killed like 300 people so far
        assuming he followed through on threats
       Patrick: He wrote a post with my name and job title -- several
      actually -- and linked it dozens of times to bump it up on Google
       me: ah
        well
      12:40 AM let me know
       Patrick: Since he denied trying to harm me professionally, I laid that out
       me: oh, wait
        he's already Google fucked
        you should see the SAdly, No compilation
       Patrick: Not as bad as me
       me: are you?
       Patrick: Google Patrick Frey
        One of his bullshit posts is on the first page

      "I was a big supporter of waterboarding" - Dick Cheney 2/14/10

      by Bob Love on Sat Sep 08, 2012 at 08:52:01 PM PDT

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      •  It's a verbatim conversation. (2+ / 0-)
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        Imagine standing in a room where two people are having a conversation that doesn't involve you and try to keep up.  

        The point is that Frey wants the diarist to manipulate the google searches for someone who is suing him, to whit a blog post by a blogger called Goldstein. This is the second part of the conversation.

        Does that help?

        •  No. I understand the format. But (12+ / 1-)

          why do you think the diary has value?

          "I was a big supporter of waterboarding" - Dick Cheney 2/14/10

          by Bob Love on Sat Sep 08, 2012 at 09:40:02 PM PDT

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          •  Barrett Brown writes diaries that point (2+ / 0-)
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            to the manipulation of the internet and information by people who may not have democracy in mind as an end, and often the diaries point to the abuse of that information by organizations such as the Chamber of Commerce, as in my post up thread.  

            In this diary a public prosecutor is  shown to be manipulating the google searches, perhaps a small thing, but not exactly right either. Further, he welched on a deal. He agreed to trade information in exchange for the google-tweaking, and then didn't deliver. I want our prosecutors and judges to be too good to stoop to those levels.

            Yours is an unusual question Bob Love. Do you think all diaries have to achieve some objective standard of value? Or just this diarist?  

            •  Don't be silly. Barrett pretends to provide (11+ / 1-)

              unique, invaluable information and never delivers, then whines when someone asks what he's going on about.

              Pootie diaries identify themselves as such. Pointless diaries - diaries that have no identifiable subject, e.g. - should be held to the same standard, and if they purport to be something they're not it's perfectly fitting that kossacks call bullshit - as they have with this guy many many times.

              Besides, I didn't ask about Barrett's diairies as a whole, a few of which have indeed contained coherent statements, full names and even hints about actual information. I asked about this one.

              I asked you two simple questions, bluedust, and you didn't answer either in a straightforward manner.  I appreciate your making the effort, and I agree that the subjects he writes on are potentially important, but seriously, his "efforts" here on duos - mostly cut and paste dumps - are crap. Any high school student with a B or better average could do better, and I can tell by your ability to write understandable prose that you must know it too.

              "I was a big supporter of waterboarding" - Dick Cheney 2/14/10

              by Bob Love on Sat Sep 08, 2012 at 10:30:12 PM PDT

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    •  predictable? yes. inevitable? judgement call. (1+ / 0-)
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      logical?  I'd say more of a stereotype.

      It seems curiosity has killed the cat that had my tongue.

      by Murphoney on Sat Sep 08, 2012 at 09:06:40 PM PDT

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    •  Unfortunately (0+ / 0-)

      posting things like this diary does the job of smearing the political opponents of the Chamber of Commerce far more effectively than any hired gun security firm.

      Actually, come to think of it, maybe the diarist is really one of those hired security consultants!

    •  Simple question (0+ / 0-)
      It surprises me that more Kossacks haven't picked up on this.
      Picked up on what?

      It isn't crusty grammarianing to wonder what the hell he is talking about, without having to wade through perhaps hundreds of pages of unlinked dreck.

      You seem to know. Enlighten us, please.

      "The problems of incompetent, corrupt, corporatist government are incompetence, corruption and corporatism, not government." Jerome a Paris

      by Orinoco on Mon Sep 10, 2012 at 03:35:21 PM PDT

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