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  •  As long as Republicans are not in charge of (7+ / 0-)

    counting the ballots.  If you cannot trust the count, it does not matter how the voting is done.

    “when Democrats don’t vote, Democrats don’t win.” Alan Grayson

    by ahumbleopinion on Sun Sep 09, 2012 at 04:45:59 PM PDT

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    •  actually, in oregon, (6+ / 0-)

      they're done by machine and you can always make a copy of your ballot before you mail it in.

      "Let us never forget that doing the impossible is the history of this nation....It's how we are as Americans...It's how this country was built"- Michelle Obama

      by blueoregon on Sun Sep 09, 2012 at 05:18:01 PM PDT

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      •  And who programs the machines? (5+ / 0-)

        Remember that old saw that goes like this:

        To err is human.  To really foul up takes a computer.
        The problem with counting done by machines is that, without fully open code, tamper-resistant systems, and unscheduled audits, the machine can be programmed not merely to make errors, but to intentionally miscount in favor of a particular candidate.  Oh, hell, why am I being diplomatic;  to intentionally miscount in favor of the Republican.

        I am become Man, the destroyer of worlds

        by tle on Sun Sep 09, 2012 at 09:10:23 PM PDT

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        •  well, our currant SOS is a (0+ / 0-)

          Democrat, succeeding another Democrat.....so?

          "Let us never forget that doing the impossible is the history of this nation....It's how we are as Americans...It's how this country was built"- Michelle Obama

          by blueoregon on Mon Sep 10, 2012 at 05:52:34 AM PDT

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          •  Encouraging, but not definitive. (0+ / 0-)

            After all, if the SOS doesn't look very closely, the machines can still be misprogrammed by people working for the voting machine companies, and those companies are not noted for their transparency.  Plus, if they're anything like Diebold, I wouldn't let them in the door in the first place.

            I am become Man, the destroyer of worlds

            by tle on Mon Sep 10, 2012 at 07:21:31 AM PDT

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            •  The thing is, you CAN verify the results. (0+ / 0-)

              I believe that EVERY election should have a random sampling of  a certain percentage of precincts independently tested AFTER the election to confirm that the results are repeatable.

              I first got this idea when people were voting with electronic (i.e., Diebold) voting machines, which I would NEVER trust in a million years.  If a random sampling of precincts of the electronic tally matched the counted paper ballots, you would verify the election.  We saw how easy it was for electronic hi-jinks in Ohio, didn't we?

              There's nothing wrong with the Republican Party that a direct hit by an asteroid wouldn't fix.

              by PDX Dem on Wed Sep 12, 2012 at 06:15:12 PM PDT

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    •  At least you have a paper trail (2+ / 0-)
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      so recount is possible unlike those voting machines in Ohio.

      I was wise enough to never grow up while fooling most people into believing I had. - Margaret Mead

      by fayea on Sun Sep 09, 2012 at 10:21:19 PM PDT

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