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  •  I really wish we wouldn't do stuff like this (2+ / 0-)
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    here on DailyKos.  This doesn't end up with him looking like an idiot, it ends up with him looking like a policy wonk and explaining how what he did was a policy fight.  She did a good job on pushing him on this, but this is part of his plan, he wants to argue policy minutia because it makes him look wonky.  Unfortunately this wasn't a loss in that respect.

    The revolution will not be televised. But it will be blogged, a lot. Probably more so than is necessary.

    by AoT on Sun Sep 09, 2012 at 01:37:23 PM PDT

    •  He looked like the Emperor with no clothes IMHO (1+ / 0-)
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      His defense didn't make sense and O'Donnell poked holes in Ryan's inconsistencies.

      "We don't need someone who can think. We need someone with enough digits to hold a pen." ~ Grover Norquist

      by Lefty Coaster on Sun Sep 09, 2012 at 01:53:03 PM PDT

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      •  His defense didn't make sense in regards (1+ / 0-)
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        to our point of view, I fully admit that.  The point is that his defense was good enough in general.  His point, which he got the chance to make again and again, was that the point of the bill was not to actually cut spending but to put defense spending on the block so that everyone would have incentive to make a real budget deal.  He was under the mistaken assumption that Obama was worried about being painted as weak on defense, which is obviously not the case.  Either way, what he talks about isn't as important as how he talks about it, which is as a "wonk,"  or at least appearing as such.  I bet that this could go up on redstate as a win for him because the point was to say that because of wonky reasons Obama doesn't care about defense.

        Ultimately, this is weak sauce in terms of nailing the GOP to the wall like we have to do to run up the score, and as far as I'm concerned it's nothing to crow about.  If we start touting ever one of his appearances as a fail then we look like idiots.

        The revolution will not be televised. But it will be blogged, a lot. Probably more so than is necessary.

        by AoT on Sun Sep 09, 2012 at 02:00:31 PM PDT

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        •  We must make sure our opponents' every misstep (2+ / 0-)
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          becomes a part of the ongoing narrative of the campaign.

          "We don't need someone who can think. We need someone with enough digits to hold a pen." ~ Grover Norquist

          by Lefty Coaster on Sun Sep 09, 2012 at 02:05:33 PM PDT

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          •  I agree, but I don't think this fits into (0+ / 0-)

            that narrative in a compelling way.  Attacking him because he voted to possibly lower defense spending in the future is nowhere near the point we should try to be making.  If this was about SS or Medicare then I'd be fully on board, but for this, meh, we have better things to celebrate than Ryan on TV trying to talk about painting the president into a corner.

            The revolution will not be televised. But it will be blogged, a lot. Probably more so than is necessary.

            by AoT on Sun Sep 09, 2012 at 02:25:00 PM PDT

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            •  I thought it was about calling him (3+ / 0-)
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              on Romney saying that it was a terrible mistake and him having to admit he voted for it.

              The fact that he pointed out that the Republicans went along with the Act because they thought Obama and the Dems were bluffing doesn't exactly allow him to come out smelling like a rose.

              "It's not like lightning or earthquakes. We've got a bad thing made by men, and by God that's something we can change." John Steinbeck

              by Snarky McAngus on Sun Sep 09, 2012 at 03:31:45 PM PDT

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        •  He only "appears" to be a wonk (3+ / 0-)

          sure, for the die hard red state bozo this isn't going to change their minds.  But the real constituency for this kind of thing is the press.  The members of the press who still cling to the illusion that this idiot is a policy wonk.  He isn't.  He just plays one to right wing think tanks.  There is no there there.  And when challenged his arguments don't hold water.  He can squirt ink like a fucking squid.  We all know that.  And that ink is going to confuse those who either can't or don't want to see the truth.  But other journalists are watching this stuff as well.  And every time they see one of their peers actually stand up to this crap and call it out, the pressure on them to do the same rather than simply provide a forum for the dissemination of disinformation builds.  That is a good thing.

    •  He's a policy wonk in the same sense that Rush (0+ / 0-)

      Limbaugh is a climatologist.

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